On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600 > Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann >> <volkerar...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> [snip] >> >> Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much "meritocratic" >> >> this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most "merit" a >> >> member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, >> >> constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. >> >> >> > >> > in that case Alan certainly is at the very top. >> > >> > He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one >> > of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil >> > Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list >> > of good gentoo-user citizens. >> > >> > Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is >> > very rare. >> >> I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that asking for "how long" >> someone has "been around" to determine his "place in the pecking >> order" it's laughable. >> >> Just for the record, and although I'm a systemd user and supporter, I >> don't agree with many of the things 微蔡 said, and I certainly don't >> agree with the way he said them. >> >> But still for Alan to ask for how long he has been on the list to >> undermine his point of view, I think is laughable at the best, and >> cheap at the worst. > > Now is the correct time to point out that you misinterpreted my post. I > didn't say so earlier for the simple reason that (in my world at least) > that always seems to pour gasoline on fires. > > The intent was for 微蔡 to respond then I could point out that I felt > him coming in here brand new and making comments of "haters" and so on > was highly inappropriate and considered rude in almost all human > cultures. It is true that longevity doesn't buy much, but it is also > true that people in a group or community do have to establish at least > *some* street cred first. Sans that, we have little more than > mob-chaos.
I don't agree with that. It's a technical list, so the technical arguments should be the only ones that matter, no matter who says them or (to a certain degree) how they say them. I didn't say anything about the members of the list responding to 微蔡 on at least one technical ground; yours was the first message I saw that had not even a hint of a technical argument, but only a call for proof of seniority. I felt that needed to be called out, because (IMO) it serves no purpose and alienates users, specially new ones that feel that they don't belong to a non-existing club. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
