Hi Grant, > On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> >> I think my proposal (Solr->TLP) is sort of orthogonal to the whole analyzers >> issue - I was in favor, at the very least, of having a separate >> module/project/whatever that both Solr/Lucene (and whatever project) can >> depend on for the shared analyzer code... > > Not really. They are intimately linked.
Ummm, how so? Making project A called "Apache Super Analyzers" and then making Lucene(-java) and Solr depend on Apache Super Analyzers is separate of whether or not Lucene(-java) and Solr are TLPs or not... Cheers, Chris > > >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> >> >> On 3/1/10 9:12 AM, "Robert Muir" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> this will make the analyzers duplication problem even worse >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully >>> disagree. It just seems (to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP >>> for Solr is the way to go. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>>> >>>>> That would really be no real world change from how things work today. >>> The fact >>>>> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project. >>>>> >>>> Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of >>> a >>>> TLP more than anything else per best practices. >>>> >>> That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or >>> that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing >>> for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in. >>>> >>>>> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now >>> and >>>>> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that >>>>> triggered >>>>> the idea for a possible merge. >>>>> >>>> I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that >>> are >>>> "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up >>> over >>>> night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This >>> is >>>> exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from >>> what >>>> I've seen. >>>> >>> It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to >>> address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only >>> aggravate those negatives, not help them. >>> >>> While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the >>> people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has >>> huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot >>> of work on both projects. >>> >>> There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the >>> management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have >>> prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns >>> multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between >>> them would increase. >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Grant, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to explore this< does this imply that the Lucene >>> sub-projects will >>>>>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache >>> TLP, >>>>>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org, >>> mahout.apache.org >>>>>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all >>> worlds, >>>>>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache >>>>>> "antipattern" as Doug put it... >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider >>> less >>>>>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off >>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810 >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Mark >>>>> >>>>> http://www.lucidimagination.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Mark >>> >>> http://www.lucidimagination.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Muir >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
