On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I think my proposal (Solr->TLP) is sort of orthogonal to the whole analyzers > issue - I was in favor, at the very least, of having a separate > module/project/whatever that both Solr/Lucene (and whatever project) can > depend on for the shared analyzer code...
Not really. They are intimately linked. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > On 3/1/10 9:12 AM, "Robert Muir" <[email protected]> wrote: > > this will make the analyzers duplication problem even worse > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully >> disagree. It just seems (to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP >> for Solr is the way to go. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> >> >> On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> >>>> That would really be no real world change from how things work today. >> The fact >>>> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project. >>>> >>> Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of >> a >>> TLP more than anything else per best practices. >>> >> That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or >> that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing >> for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in. >>> >>>> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now >> and >>>> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that >>>> triggered >>>> the idea for a possible merge. >>>> >>> I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that >> are >>> "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up >> over >>> night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This >> is >>> exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from >> what >>> I've seen. >>> >> It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to >> address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only >> aggravate those negatives, not help them. >> >> While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the >> people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has >> huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot >> of work on both projects. >> >> There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the >> management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have >> prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns >> multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between >> them would increase. >> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Grant, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to explore this< does this imply that the Lucene >> sub-projects will >>>>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache >> TLP, >>>>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org, >> mahout.apache.org >>>>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all >> worlds, >>>>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache >>>>> "antipattern" as Doug put it... >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider >> less >>>>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off >>>>>> anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810 >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - Mark >>>> >>>> http://www.lucidimagination.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - Mark >> >> http://www.lucidimagination.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> > > > -- > Robert Muir > [email protected] > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >
