Hi Robert, I think my proposal (Solr->TLP) is sort of orthogonal to the whole analyzers issue - I was in favor, at the very least, of having a separate module/project/whatever that both Solr/Lucene (and whatever project) can depend on for the shared analyzer code...
Cheers, Chris On 3/1/10 9:12 AM, "Robert Muir" <[email protected]> wrote: this will make the analyzers duplication problem even worse On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully > disagree. It just seems (to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP > for Solr is the way to go. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > > >> That would really be no real world change from how things work today. > The fact > >> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project. > >> > > Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of > a > > TLP more than anything else per best practices. > > > That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or > that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing > for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in. > > > >> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now > and > >> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that > >> triggered > >> the idea for a possible merge. > >> > > I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that > are > > "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up > over > > night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This > is > > exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from > what > > I've seen. > > > It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to > address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only > aggravate those negatives, not help them. > > While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the > people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has > huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot > of work on both projects. > > There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the > management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have > prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns > multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between > them would increase. > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Grant, > >>> > >>> I'd like to explore this< does this imply that the Lucene > sub-projects will > >>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache > TLP, > >>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org, > mahout.apache.org > >>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all > worlds, > >>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache > >>> "antipattern" as Doug put it... > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider > less > >>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off > >>>> anyway. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>> Email: [email protected] > >>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810 > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> - Mark > >> > >> http://www.lucidimagination.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: [email protected] > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > -- > - Mark > > http://www.lucidimagination.com > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -- Robert Muir [email protected] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
