El 2016-06-05 21:53, Larry Wyble escribió:
> I understand there are "lots of ways", EXCEPT using the menu system
> that is built into the desktop. I also have been using E for many years
> but I wonder why one would have to jump through so many undocumented
> hoops to get proper basic setup and usability for the piece of
> software one is trying to use. If the Ibar setup menu choices were not
> actually meant to act as one would presume, then why add those
> choices? Why not document all these hoops somewhere where they can be
> easily found? Don't get me wrong I love Enlightenment, always have. but
> the desktop seems to be nothing but a testbed for EFL. If Enlightenment
> desktop is meant to be used by the masses then it should perform as
> expected when using it's own menu and configuration system. But it
> doesn't. There are problems all over the desktop that need to be taken
> care of.
> 
> The point was not whether one could get E desktop to do what one
> wanted, the point was that one couldn't get E desktop to perform these
> actions through it's own desktop menu/interface system. And many times
> there is just no way that one can, unless the SECRETS of how to
> accomplish these feats are known.
> 
> 

I think at least part of the answer lies in the poll some months ago 
asking for priorities for E21 and E22:

https://phab.enlightenment.org/V14

The decision was to focus on fixing gadgets for E21 and cleaning up the 
settings for E22. With E21 soon to be released, the developers will 
turn, or have already turned, to cleaning up the settings.

I have been a E user for only 2 years, but I understand the frustrations 
that can arise. One of the beauties of E is that it can be so completely 
customized, at times one (from the masses, like me) has no idea what 
changes result from some settings -- or how they may interact. I think 
we will see some improvement with E22 and perhaps the production of more 
complete user documentation. That is something in which many of us can 
and should contribute.


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