Hi William.  I find E18 to be more stable than E17, so I'd recommend you
stick with that.

 As for crashes, are you talking about WM crashes, where you're prompted to
hit F1 to restart?  Or are you talking about Linux kernel crashes?  In which
case, it could be the video driver responsible.

 When diagnosing a crash, it's usually helpful to get a list of your OS,
video hardware, video driver, hmmm, maybe kernel version as well.  Any
relevent error messages would be nice too.  Check out your .xsession-errors
file for those.

 If you can replicate the crash consistently, then give us the steps to do
so, and we'll see if we can do it as well. 

 Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that E18 is crashing.  I've been using it for
... checking the datestamp on the executable ... a month?  No, wait, that's
E18.2.  I used a few alpha releases months before that, and never had a
crash.  Then again, I've never used the suspend feature, so if that's what's
triggering the instability, it's out of my field of experience.

 Updates?  Well, haven't played with this myself, but looking at the source
code, seems like it's a base of 1 hour, multiplied by some "later" config
number.  No idea about this, as I haven't enabled the check, and I can't find
any place to configure it in the settings.

 I know what you mean about Enlightenment.  I've tweaked it to suit my style
and taste.  It works so well, I can't imagine using anything else.  To me,
other windowing systems feel clunky and inconvenient.

 Cheers,
 dave.k


 In the year 2014, of the month of January, on the 28th day, William wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been following the Enlightenment project since day one. However, 
> I have not actually used it in over a decade - until now. Perhaps I was 
> feeling nostalgic, but for whatever reason I recently decided to take 
> E18 for a spin. I turns out that I absolutely love it, and it has pretty 
> much taken over as my DE. Unfortunately I didn't research what I was 
> getting into, and honestly at the time was expecting to take a look and 
> then toss it for my usual system. So it turns E18 is a bit on the buggy 
> side with the occasional application and complete system crashes along 
> misc. odd behavior and most of the power options not available. At one 
> point I tried to downgrade to E17 (Ubuntu 12.04 based system), but that 
> did not go well. I have everything set up the way I want and will 
> subscribe to your other lists to keep track of development. I have 
> developed something of a "golden path" work flow that greatly minimizes 
> crashes, but I wondering if there is any way at all to get the power 
> options working. It would be nice to suspend my computer without closing 
> everything and backing out to lightdm.
> 
> Also, when I installed E18, I allowed it to check for updates. What is 
> the frequency of checks, and is there a system update function I should 
> be manually running from time to time?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
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