--- Alan Hourihane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:38:48AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On a separate topic - have you guys thought about replacing the user
> > mailing list with a real newsgroup? Yes, newsgroups are noisy as hell, but
> > they are also fairly easy to browse through (especially with a scoring
> > newsreader, or with the "D" key under trn). And the noisiness can be
> > useful.
> 
> I think that's forcing more software upon people to use. Everyone
> has email. And there'll probably be a reluctance by some to use
> newsreader software - thus hitting another problem.
> 
> Alan.
> 
I would be in this group, I don't currently use news.

--- Brian Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Just to put in my two cents:
> 
> 1. On the bug database:
> 
> Using the SF bug database is a real hassle, and it's not that good.
> I'd rather see bug reports come to the devel mailing list.  It would
> be far more effective.  The same goes for the patch manager and
> feature/support-request trackers.
> 
> When someone files a bug report anonymously there's almost zero chance
> of it getting resolved since the anonymous poster never replies to the
> inevitable follow-up questions.
> 
I don't see how I can help there, I looked at it and it is a mess.  If it where
cleaned up I could keep an eye on it and try to help it grow.

> 
> 2. On mailing lists:
> 
> I've never suscribed to the dri-users list.  I spend enough time as it
> is monitoring the mail on dri-devel.  Like the other developers, I
> think my time is better spent on the high-profile problems, rather
> than answering newbie questions.  So I guess I'd like to see us
> continue with separate lists and hope that people use them appropriately.
> 
> -Brian
> 
I'm on the dri-users and now that I know that I need to be answering users
questions there, I think I can make it a happier place.

--- Alan Hourihane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:03:05PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote:
> 
> Understood, but there's a lot of users out there that don't want
> to receive emails from dri-devel. They just want to submit a bug,
> walk away, then get some response back to say it's fixed, or someone's
> working on it, or it won't be fixed etc.
> 
> But with the SF bug tracking system we are currently sending bug
> reports, patches etc to the dri-patches mailing list. Maybe we should
> re-route them to dri-devel to get more feedback.
> 
I'd be able to better help ought if they went to dri-users, I could then
forward ones to dri-devel if needed.  As mentioned erlier I think there are
some power-users ought there, at least one :)  I don't think I want to
subscribe to dri-patches, I don't think it's the place for bug reports... at
all.

> The problem we're facing is that there's no formal process to assigning
> the bug report, so no-one else knows whether someone could be working
> on it or not, thus duplicating effort.
> 
> Development is ideally what we all want to be doing, but there's a
> few admin type tasks we really do have to bear - and that's the uphill
> struggle.
> 
> Alan.
> 
I'd be happy to help ought with some admin type tasks.

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