I got things building and the issue I am seeing now is it is returning
"keycode = xxx" when something is typed. I am going to leave that one
to you guys. If you find anything in GNUstep that needs fixing,
please let me know.
GC
On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 4:22 PM Patrick Cardona
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello,
On 2025-04-28 23:40:49 +0200 Ethan C <[email protected]> wrote:
> Were you able to build the repo from the master branch?
Yes I did:
So I got at the end of the process:
> Linking app OpenOutliner ...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources...
> Creating stamp file...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources/OpenOutliner.desktop...
> Copying resources into the app wrapper...
>
Then I tried this:
> $ openapp ./OpenOutliner.app
>
But it failed:
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.280 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] File NSData.m:
291. In BOOL
> readContentsOfFile(NSString *, void **, off_t *, NSZone *) Open
>
(/home/patrick/micromamba/envs/gnustep/GNUstep/System/Library//gnustep-base/Versions/1.30/Resources/Languages/English)
> attempt failed - not a regular file
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.418 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] Xlib does not
support locale
> setting fr_FR.utf8
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.421 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] Unable to
initialize XIM,
> using
> standard keyboard events
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.687 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] File NSData.m:
279. In BOOL
> readContentsOfFile(NSString *, void **, off_t *, NSZone *) Open
((null))
> attempt failed - bad path
> Abandon (core dumped)
>
Hum... Obvioulsly, OpenOutliner is French bashing... ;-)
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025, 16:33 Patrick Cardona
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>
>> Sorry for the late answer. I had a busy working day.
>> Fixed concerning miniforge. See my comment at the repo.
>> Waiting now for the merge of the PR from Greg.
>
>> Bye!
>
>> On 2025-04-27 21:19:07 +0200 Ethan C <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>>> Hi, sorry if you didn't see it but I replied to the issue. Can
you try
>> the
>>> Micromamba - I put the instructions in my reply to the issue.
>>>
>>> On 4/27/25 13:17, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-27 20:06:36 +0200 Ethan C
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Can you please open an issue on
>> github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks
<http://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks>
>>>>> and put the details there?
>>>> Done.
>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/25 13:05, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 19:53:01 +0200 Ethan C <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you running into any issue with conda/mamba?
>>>>>> Yes, Ethan, I tried to send very a detailed message, but
every time I
>> sent
>>>>>> it, it was rejected by the smtp... Maybe I am pasting a
forbidden
>>>>>> character
>>>>>> from the console...
>>>>>> So, in few words:
>>>>>> Step 1: fetching and installing miniforge was ok
>>>>>> Step 2: closing the Terminal, even log out the whole
session... and
>> log in
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Step 3, while setting conda : command not found.
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025, 12:36 Patrick Cardona
<[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 18:58:19 +0200 Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On this branch both buildtool and the GNUmakefile
produce a working
>>>>>>>>> binary. It is now finding the Main.storyboard as it
should, but
>> it's
>>>>>>>>> failing to load and I am currently looking into this.
>>>>>>>> Thanks Greg, You are so efficient! In my own side, I am
just trying
>> to
>>>>>>>> make conda success... so I am a little late...
>>>>>>>> As we say, in the French way, "après la bataille" ;-)
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:56 PM Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have submitted my changes as PR #1 on ethans fork, I
closed the
>> one
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> davidchisnall's. It is on a branch known as
>> constructor_correction.
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:41 PM Gregory Casamento <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have it building, I submitted a PR, but I believe it
is against
>>>>>>>> David's
>>>>>>>>>>> repository. I will update it to be against yours.
Right now
>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>> loading the resources, but it's failing on the
Main.storyboard.
>> I
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> the fault lies there. I will track that down as I am
already
>> working
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> that code as it is.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:39 PM Patrick Cardona <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 04:40:29 +0200 Ethan C
<[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently building aarch64 packages, I will
update you if
>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> completed. You can check the progress on GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks/actions/runs/14687506985/job/41218202112
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have an aarch64 machine set up right now, so
I would
>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the packages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, Ethan, I shall do it. It is an amazing
project, I
>> think
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful about testing and developing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/25 20:02, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conda and manba seem to loook great, but as says
your guide :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now it only works on x86_64 glibc Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I am working on aarch64. So I did not follow
the conda
>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I tried on another env with Clang already there
(within
>>>>>>>>>>>> NEXTSPACE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian clang version 14.0.6).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I could build some parts and was stuck at this
(I just
>> copied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because all the errors are the same):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOStyleRegistry.mm:348:7: note: candidate
constructor (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implicit
>>>>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructor) not viable: requires 1 argument, but 7
were
>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class number_style_attribute : public style_attribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOStyleRegistry.mm:348:7: note: candidate
constructor (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implicit
>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructor) not viable: requires 1 argument, but 7
were
>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 warnings and 13 errors generated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[3]: *** [/Developer/Makefiles/rules.make:575:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obj/OpenOutliner.obj/OOStyleRegistry.mm.o] Error 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[2]: ***
>> [/Developer/Makefiles/Instance/application.make:145:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal-app-run-compile-submake] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[1]: ***
[/Developer/Makefiles/Master/rules.make:297:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOutliner.all.app
<http://OpenOutliner.all.app>.variables] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make: ***
[/Developer/Makefiles/Master/application.make:38:
>>>>>>>>>>>> internal-all]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously due to my clang version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-26 04:03:51 +0200 Ethan
C<[email protected]
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you try my guide to installing GNUstep with
Conda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks/blob/master/guide.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the environment.yml in the OpenOutliner repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner/blob/master/environment.yml
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one in the guide. It should have
everything you
>> need,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested it on my machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that you always need to `mamba activate
gnustep` in
>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment. This environment will contain Clang,
the latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the GNUstep core libraries as of December,
glibc 2.34,
>> libbsd,
>>>>>>>>>>>> zlib, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the other dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/25 17:42, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ethan and Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried to build from the last commit of Ethan, but
>> obviously, my
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment (GS-Desktop by Ondrej Florian, on
Debian 12,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aarch64)
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough up to date: I am missing arc and the compiler
>> complains:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compiling file AppDelegate.m ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gcc: error: unrecognized command-line option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘-fobjc-arc’;
>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean ‘-fobjc-gc’?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed clang, but it did not fixed this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you both working on FreeBSD ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-25 21:18:59 +0200 Ethan C<
>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After adding all the resources and setting the main
>> storyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.storyboard, it gives me an error saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -[NSXMLDocument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initWithData:options:error] is being called with
data =
>> nil. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed this change, and I can't debug further.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/25 13:13, Gregory Casamento wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you commit your changes (I presume you have)
I'll take
>> a
>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:04 PM Ethan C<
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After disabling the pasteboard, the
app now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds and
>>>>>>>>>>>> links.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, only the miniwindow shows
up, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complains
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being able to find its resources. I
don't
>> know the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resource system well so some help
would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 10:10 Ethan C<
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Patrick, Greg!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have written a GNUmakefile.
The main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacle is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep implements the
OpenStep/pre-10.5
>> OSX
>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard (see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GNUstep docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/Developer/Gui/Reference/NSPasteboard.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the Apple docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CopyandPaste/CopyandPaste.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> );
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea how it
integrates with
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This pasteboard contains a
single item,
>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple representations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern macOS implements the
post-10.6 OSX
>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> (see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PasteboardGuide106/Introduction/Introduction.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40008099
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - "Pasteboard Concepts" is the most
>> important
>>>>>>>> part),
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOutliner expects this to
work. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of items (for example, if you
copy a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which contains an image it
should put a
>> rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>>>> and an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto the pasteboard), each of
which may
>> have
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representations. Additionally,
it starts
>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uniform Type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Identifiers (UTIs) in order to
refer to
>> types
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old pasteboard type strings (at
>> least in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.6
>>>>>>>>>>>> those old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strings were still supported
but were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprecated).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks kind of complicated to
>> implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> API, so maybe we could try porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOutliner to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard API or temporarily
disabling
>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need the pasteboard. Do any of
you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Uniform Type Identifiers
framework,
>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaunchServices, seems to be
implemented
>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably do that. (However,
that would
>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> gnustep-gui
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Boron, which may or may not be
>> wanted.) We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement in Boron the new
Uniform Type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Identifiers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uniformtypeidentifiers?language=objc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced in macOS 11 Big Sur,
which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> object-oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (UTIs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of type `UTType*` rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `NSString*`, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Objective-C API). Although
>> OpenOutliner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTI APIs, it would be useful to
>> implement in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>>>>> newer apps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need it, and regardless it
seems to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleaner
>>>>>>>> API.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/25 08:01, Gregory Casamento
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is gcasa. I would like
to help a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanding libs-xcode, if it
needs it,
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours, GC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at
4:11 AM Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cardona
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-24 18:50:21
+0200 Ethan C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I started on the porting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > grep for "FIXME-GNUstep"
for the
>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet (the whole thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > doesn't compile yet). If
you give
>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> username I can give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > commit access to my fork.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is: pcardona34
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 4/24/25 08:14,
Patrick Cardona
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hello Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thanks for this
mention. I shall
>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 2025-04-24 04:57:47
+0200
>> Ethan C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> David Chisnall recently
>> mentioned on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lobsters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_i2m53u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> a clone of
OmniOutliner 3 he
>> wrote in
>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> portable. Its source is on
>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>><
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/davidchisnall/OpenOutliner> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want to look at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> From the README it
looks like
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decently
>>>>>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application with lots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> of functionality, so
it could
>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. See also Liam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Proven's comment about
why he
>> uses
>>>>>>>> outliners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>
https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_owdlc8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> to get an idea of what
outliner
>> users
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> want. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might take up this at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> some point, but I
doubt it as I
>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> busy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have too many side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> projects already :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Ethan Charoenpitaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Patrick
Cardona -
>> France
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware:
Raspberry
>> Pi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pi400
>>>>>>>>>>>> Model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) -
>> Desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GSDE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black
Lotus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org -
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Become
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal
Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Patrick Cardona - France
>>>>>>>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model
>>>>>>>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>> --
>> Patrick Cardona - France
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>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
>
>
>
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