Hi Aoife,
Thanks for raising these questions. This is a helpful way to frame the
problem.
On 6/30/26 9:21 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
Hello everyone, actual Change Wrangler here so I thought I'd weigh in :)
Couple of questions I'd like to understand:
1. How has the current change process poorly impacted you? For example,
are you a change owner who disliked X or Y? Are you a driveby
contributor who doesn't like the devel/discourse split? Are you a FESCo
member who needs more of A or B in the voting ticket?
2. What level of involvement do you have in processing the changes, and
what parts do you find taxing? Eg are you a change owner who doesn't
enjoy interfacing with the wiki? Are you FESCo member who finds the
tickets less than optimal to review? Are you QA who needs better
tracking of changes, etc.
As someone who has proposed Changes, I find dealing with the wiki to be
really cumbersome. I'm used to editing technical documentation stored in
git in markdown in my preferred text editor or using a standard word
processor for other types of writing. The Wiki brings another syntax and
another interface that I have to deal with.
I am also under the impressions that it's difficult to properly process
Changes from the wiki without a lot of error-prone, manual steps. I have
seen various issues with the current process where formatting of
Discourse posts and FESCo tickets is messed up, Change owners aren't
CCed on FESCo tickets and Bugzilla trackers (which caused process
delays), Changes get stuck in one of the steps of the process, etc. I
know there were some new AI-assisted tooling introduced recently, but
that only seemed to make problems worse. I was hoping that switching to
a format that was easier to work with in a scripted manner would help
with some of these issues, but maybe I'm off base (please do tell me if
I am).
3. What would a brand new process bring the Fedora Linux distribution
that our current one does not?
Ideally, to address the existing pain points and make the process
smoother for the various people and roles involved.
P.S I would LOVE to not have to post to discourse and devel-announce and
really like the idea of the weekly change round up post on discourse and
keep main conversation to the mailing list.
+1. As I said, I don't like the split discussion between devel@ and
Discourse. As a FESCo member or not a FESCo member, it makes it really
hard to keep track of what's going on and adds repetition and confusion
to discussions.
All the best,
Maxwell
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