On 2021-05-19 2:01 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:29:44PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Now if what you are telling me is : >> That all software that I may run on my Linux box that are not inside the >> Debian repository will make my system a "frankendebian" and will entitle >> myself to be called off-topic and not worth having my message read, then >> honestly, I'll simply stop reading mailing list and go on my own. > > First of all, this is exactly the kind of attitude I was talking about, > which we see *EXTREMELY FREQUENTLY* from Kali users especially. If you > behave like this on any of the Debian IRC channels, you will get no help. I am not a Kali user.
> > Second, no, not all third-party software makes your system unsupportable. > But *packages* that are installed from other distributions most certainly > do. > Why would a package I get from a git repository be supportable but a package I save some packaging time and get from another source (Kali, Ubuntu for example) would become unsupportable ? So you are telling me that support stop as soon I build myself a custom package but if I build software and put it outside the packaging system, it's supportable ? > If you want to install third-party software, do so either by building > upstream NON-PACKAGED sources and installing directly in /opt or > /usr/local, or if you wish to use packages, use them only from trusted > sources. That *especially* means no PPAs. > And if I build myself a package, for example I packaged all my roms used for gaming into a deb file, this way it's easy to install and I use a repository on my local network. By doing it this way, my gf who already does her updates can also update the pack of roms I got. So this is bad and make me loose community support ? I don't install software from PPA. I save myself some time writing packaging files by getting them from other source when needed. If you read what I've wrote. I built many software using upstream source (git repository) but instead of writing myself the whole packaging files, I took them from either Kali or Ubuntu when available. So if I use a package that is not included in Debian for licensing reason then I get bad, even if it's something as simple as a one file utility ? One reason we use a packaging system that tracks the files installed is to prevent software from interfering by writing over other packages files. So you thing about /opt is pretty much non relevant except if I do build software and don't use the packaging system. > (What counts as trusted? That's an open question, and pretty subjective. > Except for the PPA part. Everyone agrees on those.) > >> If this is not a Debian question then tell my what it is ? > > These would be examples of Debian questions which an IRC channel could > reasonably hope to answer: > > 1) "Why isn't virtualbox in Debian?" > > 2) "How should I install virtualbox on Debian release _____?" > > However, the following is *not*: > > 3) "I built a custom virtualbox package myself from Kali deb-src, and now > I'm getting this error...." > > That's what we can't support. Especially in IRC, where questions should > be short and easy, not involving 8-hour diagnostic marathons. > There's a difference between a plain "I get this error" and the other way around that is : I get a error and would like to fix it, I'd like to know why do you guys enforce -fPIC because maybe you have a good reason and if not, I won't use this option (and this could solve my problem). I feel like people just feel good telling others "You are wrong" so they can feel "right". -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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