On Wednesday 19 May 2021 14:29:15 Dan Ritter wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > On 2021-05-19 2:01 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:29:44PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > >> Now if what you are telling me is : > > >> That all software that I may run on my Linux box that are not > > >> inside the Debian repository will make my system a > > >> "frankendebian" and will entitle myself to be called off-topic > > >> and not worth having my message read, then honestly, I'll simply > > >> stop reading mailing list and go on my own. > > > > > > First of all, this is exactly the kind of attitude I was talking > > > about, which we see *EXTREMELY FREQUENTLY* from Kali users > > > especially. If you behave like this on any of the Debian IRC > > > channels, you will get no help. > > > > I am not a Kali user. > > > > > Second, no, not all third-party software makes your system > > > unsupportable. But *packages* that are installed from other > > > distributions most certainly do. > > > > Why would a package I get from a git repository be supportable but a > > package I save some packaging time and get from another source > > (Kali, Ubuntu for example) would become unsupportable ? > > Ahem. > > Installing a software thingy in /opt or /usr/local or such > limits the damage to "it doesn't work, but the system as a whole > works otherwise". > > Adding a package repository or installing a random .deb file off > the Internet can change arbitrary things in your system, and > stuff that you didn't think you were changing can suddenly stop > working. That's extremely difficult to debug. > > > So you are telling me that support stop as soon I build myself a > > custom package but if I build software and put it outside the > > packaging system, it's supportable ? > > Oh, no, no no no. > > There is no support for anything! > > But all of us volunteers are willing to help out, from each > according to their abilities, to each according to the random > factors of the universe. > > > And if I build myself a package, for example I packaged all my roms > > used for gaming into a deb file, this way it's easy to install and I > > use a repository on my local network. By doing it this way, my gf > > who already does her updates can also update the pack of roms I got. > > So this is bad and make me loose community support ? > > No, because see above: there's no support. > > The question is, what can you do to maximize the chances of > someone helping you? > > > I feel like people just feel good telling others "You are wrong" so > > they can feel "right". > > In this case, you are mostly wrong. People are telling you that > you're doing it the wrong way because their experience (and > mine) is that they have spent far too much of their own time > trying to debug problems that they cannot possibly reproduce, > because you have a version of libinsidious that nobody else has. > > -dsr-
+10, or more. Thanks for pointing this out, Dan. Its a point too often missed in the usual "I've been insulted" responses seen here. This is a distraction, but illustrates the problem: To put the chances of screwing up the system totally by installing something packaged to run on a different system to the N! of the number of bytes a diff command comparing a properly built package for your fav system, with the same package from another system that just happens to use the same package manager. Then check to see if the calculator you and I can afford says 1.711224524E98 for a 69! entry. Numbers above 69 need a 3 digit or on to infinity "ee" number. Plain and simple, you do not put the result of that build, in a directory available to the system. You put it in a sandbox in /opt, or /usr/local, or in the case of an AppImage, in your home directory. I do it, but I don't recommend it, I'd much druther put it in /opt or usr/local. Take care, stay safe and well everybody. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
