On 2021-05-19 2:29 p.m., Dan Ritter wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >> On 2021-05-19 2:01 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:29:44PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside >>> wrote: >>>> Now if what you are telling me is : >>>> That all software that I may run on my Linux box that are not inside the >>>> Debian repository will make my system a "frankendebian" and will entitle >>>> myself to be called off-topic and not worth having my message read, then >>>> honestly, I'll simply stop reading mailing list and go on my own. >>> >>> First of all, this is exactly the kind of attitude I was talking about, >>> which we see *EXTREMELY FREQUENTLY* from Kali users especially. If you >>> behave like this on any of the Debian IRC channels, you will get no help. >> I am not a Kali user. >> >>> >>> Second, no, not all third-party software makes your system unsupportable. >>> But *packages* that are installed from other distributions most certainly >>> do. >>> >> >> Why would a package I get from a git repository be supportable but a >> package I save some packaging time and get from another source (Kali, >> Ubuntu for example) would become unsupportable ? > > Ahem. > > Installing a software thingy in /opt or /usr/local or such > limits the damage to "it doesn't work, but the system as a whole > works otherwise". >
I don't know how many package you have developed or what's you background but : The packaging system make sure no one write over others file. Installing a software in /opt doesn't prevent it from trashing files in /etc Only thing it does is make it simple when you get some problem regarding library compatibility because it come after /usr/lib in the list of folder checked by the linker. > Adding a package repository or installing a random .deb file off > the Internet can change arbitrary things in your system, and > stuff that you didn't think you were changing can suddenly stop > working. That's extremely difficult to debug. > > I already know not to install untrusted software on my computer. You are getting far from what I was talking about. I don't install .deb from the "internet". I build my own software package when needed. I look over at the source code, the scripts and everything else. >> So you are telling me that support stop as soon I build myself a custom >> package but if I build software and put it outside the packaging system, >> it's supportable ? > > Oh, no, no no no. > > There is no support for anything! > I know that there's no support. My wording was wrong. > But all of us volunteers are willing to help out, from each > according to their abilities, to each according to the random > factors of the universe. > >> And if I build myself a package, for example I packaged all my roms used >> for gaming into a deb file, this way it's easy to install and I use a >> repository on my local network. By doing it this way, my gf who already >> does her updates can also update the pack of roms I got. >> So this is bad and make me loose community support ? > > No, because see above: there's no support. > > The question is, what can you do to maximize the chances of > someone helping you? > >> I feel like people just feel good telling others "You are wrong" so they >> can feel "right". > > In this case, you are mostly wrong. People are telling you that > you're doing it the wrong way because their experience (and > mine) is that they have spent far too much of their own time > trying to debug problems that they cannot possibly reproduce, > because you have a version of libinsidious that nobody else has. > > -dsr- > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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