On Mon, September 10, 2012 9:32 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:10 +0200, lee wrote: >> For those who don't want to or are unable to learn, have a button they >> can press to perform the installation, no matter what and no questions >> asked. However, those are the kind of people who better stay away from >> computers, which makes it doubtful how useful such a thing would be. > > Different users, different needs. A DVB-T receiver is a computer, a DAT > recorder is a computer, perhaps your car is a computer, at least all > this things use computers. Some people know how to use a DVB-T receiver, > a DAT recorder and they can drive a car. Nobody expect them to know > details about the receiver, the recorder and the car. > > IMO Linux for too many people is the Sangraal and they enjoy to diss > people who have no knowledge about computers.
Frankly, I think many comments are made in the attempt to maintain that. It is possible to have both. I installed the Debian version of Linux Mint to have a look at it and noticed a comment in the onsite forum asking when 'the KDE Version' would be coming out. I found aptitude underneath it all and laughed. In about half an hour I had my usual mixed Debian system of some Gnome apps, some KDE, a sprinkle of XFCE and Enlightenment to hold it all together. Nothing new there! > > A computer is a tool. The tool has to fit to the user needs. The more a > user needs to learn about things that have nothing to do with the usage, > the less good an OS is for averaged users. Linux isn't a good OS for > averaged users. > > It won't harm to have empathy. Not at all. > > FWIW my favorite distro is Arch Linux, it fit best to some of my needs > and of course isn't good for averaged users. Distros as Debian, Ubuntu, > Suse, Fedora IMO could keep their installers, but the used language > should become understandable for averaged computer users. There's no > need to use terminology that much. "Partition", "host" etc. also could > be explained in layman's terms. For the advanced user there still should > be an option. That's right! The configurability of Debian answers to all tastes and once a new user has had a little time to become orientated, they will do what we all do and start to play. > > The biggest problem IMO is to install basics. For an advanced user Arch, > Gentoo etc. is very good, because the user has to install what is > needed. Arch for example doesn't install X by default. For Debian, Suse > etc. an installer already installs tons of software, that most users > never ever will need. And some they should! MC isn't installed by default and I think it should be. Nano is there and useful to reconfigure /etc/apt/sources.list, but there are many other packages that I have never used. It's ok, since this one day should enable > automatically installation. Regards, Weaver -- "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001d58181c218c4096fd605a1acc3e61.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
