On Mon, September 10, 2012 5:10 am, lee wrote:
> "Weaver" <wea...@riseup.net> writes:
>
>> On Sun, September 9, 2012 5:18 am, lee wrote:
>>> "Weaver" <wea...@riseup.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> But we are talking about Debian.
>>>> Specifically partitioning/file system decision making during install.
>>>
>>> When else would you make such a decision if not before starting the
>>> installation? You can't install software without a place to put it.
>>
>> You are quoting out of context.
>
> No, I'm not, you didn't get my point.

I get the point. It's just not an accurate or germaine one...because you
quoted out of context.
>
>> What I am saying there needs advisory material placed into the
>> installation process so that newbies can make INFORMED decisions and
>
> People aren't going to spend the time it would take them to learn
> everything they need to make informed decisions about the options the
> installer gives them, no matter how much documentation you put into it.

And here you do it again.

This is one small page, with information pertaining to partitioning and
file-systems. There is no need to put documentation into the installer
pertaining to every subject it addresses.
There simply isn't a need that I can see.

Why do you distort the direction of the discussion to that degree?
>
> For more than a decade now you need a working computer to install an
> operating system on another one so that you can acquire information and
> additional software as needed. Why isn't that included in the installer?

Because that is an issue that somebody with a basic mastery over their
system and sufficient experience with Debian is capable of chasing down
themselves. This discussion is centred round the issue a newbie would
experience when confronted by the partitioning stage of the installer.

> Just boot from the installation media and be presented with a working
> system and an installer, allowing you to switch between them.
>
> For those who don't want to or are unable to learn, have a button they
> can press to perform the installation, no matter what and no questions
> asked. However, those are the kind of people who better stay away from
> computers, which makes it doubtful how useful such a thing would be.

That is not what is being advocated and I don't see the relevance with
Debian either.
The whole exercise is a requirement to advise.
Not remove choice or the power of personal decision making over even a
newbie's system. An advisory, of this nature, as I have already said,
would be the first step that supplies that revelatory "Ah Hah!" moment
that encourages exploration. Not one that inhibits access to knowledge.
Regards,

Weaver
-- 
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its  government."
 -- Thomas Paine



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