YES > Am 13.01.2026 um 17:21 schrieb Stephen Stead via Crm-sig > <[email protected]>: > > "The property or relation need not be part of the CRM." > > > Stephen Stead > Mob: +44 (0)7802 755 013 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > From: Crm-sig <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Martin Doerr via Crm-sig > Sent: 13 January 2026 15:47 > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] issue 615 --E VOTE > > Dear All, > > I vote YES, > > BUT! I suggest to reformulate: > > "The property or relation needs not be part of the CRM." > > because this is less ambiguous for non-native speakers of English.... > > In answer to Martijn, see the current examples of P177: > > > The examination of MS Sinai Greek 418 (E13) assigned property of type > binding structure type (E55). [‘binding structure type’ refers to a property, > external to the CIDOC CRM, which connects a book (E22) to the type of its > binding structure (E55)] (Honey & Pickwoad, 2010) > > The condition assessment of the endband cores of MS Sinai Greek 418 (E14) > assigned property of type damage (E55.) [‘damage’ refers to a property, > external to the CIDOC CRM, which connects an instance of a physical thing > like an endband core (E22) to the type of damage (E55) it shows] (Honey & > Pickwoad, 2010) > > The condition assessment of the cover of MS Sinai Greek 418 (E14) assigned > property of typequality (E55). [‘quality’ refers to a property, external to > the CIDOC CRM, which connects an instance of a physical thing like a book > cover (E22) to its quality (E55)] (Honey and Pickwoad, 2010) > > > > On 1/13/2026 4:07 PM, van Leusen, P.M. via Crm-sig wrote: > Dear all, > the import of the phrase in bold is not clear to me. The property or relation > itself does not have to be part of the CRM, but assertions about it are? Can > this be clarified using the examples? > Martijn > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 2:40 PM Eleni Tsouloucha via Crm-sig > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Dear all, > > Please reply by yes or no to the proposal formally made at the 61st SIG > meeting, namely to add the clause marked in boldface to the scope note of E13 > Attribute Assignment. > The reason that the group would not vote on it at the time, is that it was > made at the meeting. > > You have until the end of next week (23 January 2026) to vote on it. > > ++++++++++++++ > E13 Attribute Assignment > Subclass of: E7 Activity > > Superclass of: E14 Condition Assessment, E15 Identifier Assignment, E16 > Measurement, E17 Type Assignment > > Scope note: This class comprises the actions of making assertions about one > property of an object or any single relation between two items or concepts. > The property or relation does not have to be part of the CRM. The type of the > property asserted to hold between two items or concepts can be described by > the property P177 assigned property of type (is type of property assigned): > E55 Type. > > For example, the class describes the actions of people making propositions > and statements during certain scientific/scholarly procedures, e.g., the > person and date when a condition statement was made, an identifier was > assigned, the museum object was measured, etc. Which kinds of such > assignments and statements need to be documented explicitly in structures of > a schema rather than free text, depends on whether this information should be > accessible by structured queries. > > This class allows for the documentation of how the respective assignment came > about, and whose opinion it was. Note that all instances of properties > described in a knowledge base are the opinion of someone. Per default, they > are the opinion of the team maintaining the knowledge base. This fact must > not individually be registered for all instances of properties provided by > the maintaining team, because it would result in an endless recursion of > whose opinion was the description of an opinion. Therefore, the use of > instances of E13 Attribute Assignment marks the fact that the maintaining > team is in general neutral to the validity of the respective assertion, but > registers someone else’s opinion and how it came about. > > All properties assigned in such an action can also be seen as directly > relating the respective pair of items or concepts. Multiple use of instances > of E13 Attribute Assignment may possibly lead to a collection of > contradictory values. > > Examples: > the examination of MS Sinai Greek 418 by Nicholas Pickwoad in November 2003 > (Honey & Pickwoad, 2010) > the assessment of the current ownership of Martin Doerr’s silver cup in > February 1997 (fictitious) > In first-order logic: E13(x) ⇒ E7(x) > > Properties: > P140 assigned attribute to (was attributed by): E1 CRM Entity > P141 assigned (was assigned by): E1 CRM Entity > P177 assigned property of type (is type of property assigned): E55 Type > > +++++++++++++ > > All the best, > > -- > Eleni Tsouloucha > Philologist - MA Linguistics & Language Technologies > Center for Cultural Informatics > Information Systems Laboratory - Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > Address: N. Plastira 100, GR-70013 Heraklion, Grece > email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Tel: +30 2810391488 > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list > > > -- > Dr. Martijn van Leusen > Associate Professor, Landscape Archaeology, Groningen Institute of Archaeology > Poststraat 6, 9712ER Groningen (Netherlands) / phone +31 50 3636717 / +31 6 > 18798873 > Academia page <https://rug.academia.edu/MartijnvanLeusen> - Google Scholar > page <https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=H6OP3MUAAAAJ> > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list > > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > Dr. Martin Doerr > > Honorary Head of the > > Center for Cultural Informatics > > Information Systems Laboratory > Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece > > Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list
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