On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 04:09:58PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: > On Wed Oct 01, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0200, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > > Oh yeah, I know this attitude ;-) I also know where your annoyance comes > > from. But you shouldn't feel threatened by or superior to cooker people > > trying to help mandrake succeed! In a lot of cases, the only way outsiders > > Well, I've never felt superior, and I certainly don't feel threatened. > Annoyed more often would likely be accurate.
I guess my wording sucked, but I'm not sure how else to put it (not native english speaker me ;-) > Now, if you want to whine and complain and offer suggestions for improvement > (*valid* useful suggestions, not some off the wall stuff), then by all > means, moan to your heart's content knowing that when you do you're actually > contributing something that can become positive. I don't really have the feeling that there is so much whining here, but maybe it's not directed at me... People have their particular opinions/experiences and stick to that, which can appear to be whining-like. > No, I don't expect a lot of "yah, it works, good job" bla bla. That's just > silly. That, while being nice and giving incentive to weary developers, is > not the issue. But don't people here understand how unbelieveably > frustrating it is to come up with something and/or propose something and > have people tear into it without providing some alternative suggestions? > Putting forward stuff to better the distro and/or the company is great! > Putting forward negative without an alternative or way to correct an issue > does no one any good. sometimes knowing something is broken for at least one person is better than not knowing it, even if no suggestion or alternative is provided. A next step could be to ask for more input on the problem, but that takes time and effort. Which can be in short supply... > I can tell you till I'm blue in the face why something is awful, but if I > don't give you a reasonable alternative to what it is I'm venting about, > what's the point? I least I'd know you hate it! ;-) > Absolutely. But that's not what we're talking about. My point is that this > list is so full of negative and people responding badly to things without > providing some appropriate insight or alternatives that it makes reading the > list tiresome. I doubt people on this list are negative in general or on purpose. If someone was on the list just to whine, they'd be pretty masochistic, since the traffic is way too heavy to suffer through when you don't care for the welbeing of mandrake and it's developers. But maybe I'm an optimist ;-) Cheers Simon
