On Wed Oct 01, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0200, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > > Suddenly I'm getting very tired of all of this again. Seems no matter how > > hard you try, someone has something negative to say without contributing > > something useful. > > Oh yeah, I know this attitude ;-) I also know where your annoyance comes > from. But you shouldn't feel threatened by or superior to cooker people > trying to help mandrake succeed! In a lot of cases, the only way outsiders
Well, I've never felt superior, and I certainly don't feel threatened. Annoyed more often would likely be accurate. > can help is by following the development of mandrakesoft's linux and > occasionally test something. A few of us (actually, quite a few I guess) > are able to spend time maintaining software for mandrakesoft. (And thus for > all of us!). The rest is give feedback about what's going wrong (and > opinions vary among individuals). No. Giving feedback is one thing. Giving feedback and constructive suggestions on improvement is another. One could say that the constant whining, complaining, etc. is feedback. Sure, it is, but how is it going to help? Just makes people look like a bunch of babies. Now, if you want to whine and complain and offer suggestions for improvement (*valid* useful suggestions, not some off the wall stuff), then by all means, moan to your heart's content knowing that when you do you're actually contributing something that can become positive. > If most of the comments here (in cooker) would be about how well everything > is going and how wonderful mandrake is, who would get his head out of the > clouds to dig in and actually fix the things that are still sub-optimal? > The kernel mailinglist is also not a place where nice words are used to lead > up to a serious bugreport, people just say: this is broken and here's why > (the last bit is wishful thinking on my part ;-) No, I don't expect a lot of "yah, it works, good job" bla bla. That's just silly. That, while being nice and giving incentive to weary developers, is not the issue. But don't people here understand how unbelieveably frustrating it is to come up with something and/or propose something and have people tear into it without providing some alternative suggestions? Putting forward stuff to better the distro and/or the company is great! Putting forward negative without an alternative or way to correct an issue does no one any good. I can tell you till I'm blue in the face why something is awful, but if I don't give you a reasonable alternative to what it is I'm venting about, what's the point? > I like mandrake's linux, so I appreciate all the work everyone puts into it > and I understand that everyone's time is limited, including mandrakesoft's. > > In order for us to focus on helping mdk where it will be most visible and > useful, we need to know where mdk is going. Absolutely. But that's not what we're talking about. My point is that this list is so full of negative and people responding badly to things without providing some appropriate insight or alternatives that it makes reading the list tiresome. -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ Online Security Resource Book; http://linsec.ca/ "lynx -source http://linsec.ca/vdanen.asc | gpg --import" {FE6F2AFD : 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD}
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