The box should actually say "“Choose character set." On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Samiur Rahman <samiu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm fixing a few mistakes. > > > And yes, free non-unicode fonts that support any range of unicode, such > as a > > language or script, should come with Calligra. > > "Maybe on Windows or Mac. Because on Linux font files are typically a > property of operating systems." > > It's easy to install fonts to the OS, at least in Windows, and can be one > by any application or by the user. I've done it personally on Windows and > Linux, and I believe Adobe applications do install new fonts on the system. > > > "Usually, we presume that the user needs only characters for Western > European and operating systems and office suites come only with fonts for > that range of unicode. " > > Like above, I don't see how is that true after MS DOS already. Or even > with MS DOS or old UNIX had cyrillic and japanese sets. If I understand > you properly. > > OSs may come with fonts for Japanese or Cyrillic but not all languages and > scripts. Either OSs or applications should come with: all free > script-specific fonts and all free Unicode fonts. > > > My idea was to: > > > > 1. > > Add the box “Choose character range” in the application > 2. > > Package free fonts that serve any unicode range and all free unicode > fonts > > > Eventually, the second may be served by the OS, but the first has to be, > and the second can be started by the application. > > > Thanks all. > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Samiur Rahman <samiu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > And yes, free non-unicode fonts that support any range of unicode, such >> as a >> > language or script, should come with Calligra. >> >> "Maybe on Windows or Mac. Because on Linux font files are typically a >> property of operating systems." >> >> It's easy to install fonts to the OS, at least in Windows, and can be one >> by any application or by the user. Honestly, I've never done it on Windows >> or Mac though. >> >> >> "Usually, we presume that the user needs only characters for Western >> European and operating systems and office suites come only with fonts >> for that range of unicode. " >> >> Like above, I don't see how is that true after MS DOS already. Or even >> with MS DOS or old UNIX had cyrillic and japanese sets. If I understand >> you properly. >> >> OSs may come with fonts for Japanese or Cyrillic but not all languages >> and scripts. Either OSs or applications should come with: all free >> script-specific fonts and all free Unicode fonts. >> >> >> My idea was to: >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> Add the box “Choose unicode range” in the application >> 2. >> >> Package free fonts that serve any unicode range and all free unicode >> fonts >> >> >> Eventually, the second may be served by the OS, but the first has to be, >> and the second can be started by the application. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Samiur >> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <stan...@kde.org> wrote: >> >>> On 3 July 2016 at 01:37, Samiur Rahman <samiu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > And yes, free non-unicode fonts that support any range of unicode, >>> such as a >>> > language or script, should come with Calligra. >>> >>> Maybe on Windows or Mac. Because on Linux font files are typically a >>> property of operating systems. >>> >>> "Usually, we presume that the user needs only characters for Western >>> European and operating systems and office suites come only with fonts >>> for that range of unicode. " >>> >>> Like above, I don't see how is that true after MS DOS already. Or even >>> with MS DOS or old UNIX had cyrillic and japanese sets. If I >>> understand you properly. >>> >>> If there's something missing a proper address to send requests is 1. >>> operating system vendors (even if you mean Linux) and 2. projects that >>> work on fonts (if you mean about free fonts). Calligra as a project >>> does not and should not ship general purpose fonts as such if they are >>> part of the OS. >>> At least two classes of exceptions are: >>> - we have dedicated fonts for example for music notation in a Music >>> Shape or specific formula/math symbols >>> - to make sure fonts *normally* available in modern free operating >>> systems are also available on Windows or Mac, the files (if it's 100% >>> legal) may be packaged with Calligra apps to overcome the misfeature >>> >>> Contributions to such packaging is of course welcome. I've heard there >>> are efforts to package Calligra 3 app(s) on non-Linux. It's typical >>> that fixes to this area come from the interested parties able to try >>> real/specific use cases. >>> >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Samiur Rahman <samiu...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> What I see is that if it's a practice to include all free unicode >>> fonts in >>> >> an office suite, in order to use them commonly, all office suites, >>> even >>> >> operating systems, must come with them. But it's a good practice to >>> start >>> >> on. Usually, we presume that the user needs only characters for >>> Western >>> >> European and operating systems and office suites come only with fonts >>> for >>> >> that range of unicode. What I suggest is to include all free unicode >>> fonts >>> >> in Calligra, to cater to users of all scripts and languages. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks. >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <stan...@kde.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 July 2016 at 01:11, Samiur Rahman <samiu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Jaroslaw wrote: "If so, as such place for its implementation isn't >>> at >>> >>> > Calligra level but at a computer operating system's level, even >>> above >>> >>> > Qt >>> >>> > itself." >>> >>> > >>> >>> > You can select to type in your keyboard, by selecting your >>> keyboard in >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > OS, but usually you need to buy or maybe possibly download a font >>> for >>> >>> > your >>> >>> > language or script. The benefit of a "unicode mode" as an input >>> mode in >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > office app is that you don't need to buy or download that font. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Camilla wrote: "we have a dialog that allows you to enter specific >>> >>> > charactes >>> >>> > from any unicode range" >>> >>> > >>> >>> > But you can't actually "type" using those characters that you can >>> >>> > choose as >>> >>> > special characters. >>> >>> >>> >>> What special characters do you mean? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Users should select an unicode range, such as Greek or Cyrillic," >>> >>> >>> >>> To avoid mixing separate things: input methods, unicode >>> representation >>> >>> and file formats, >>> >>> please let me mention that: >>> >>> >>> >>> - language and font is an attribute of character in ODF and MSOOXML >>> >>> and older MS formats, all that is specified and not subject to change >>> >>> (and especially a change here instead of change in input method would >>> >>> be the least likely approved) >>> >>> >>> >>> - the modes of input is separate from application; applications >>> >>> receive ready to interpret logical input events prepared by the input >>> >>> method based on lower level events (key, voice, whatever); for >>> example >>> >>> there were times when I've been using Hangul for testing of input >>> >>> methods; given input method just composed entire syllables out of >>> >>> atomic key strokes - apps have never "seen" separate key strokes, >>> only >>> >>> syllables, each having own number in the Unicode standard. This is >>> why >>> >>> I think that whatever you design like two boxes of input, this >>> belongs >>> >>> to the outside of application, to the input method system >>> >>> >>> >>> - fonts: separate topic again, their *cost* and so on - it can be all >>> >>> addressed by working on libre implementation of fonts that given >>> >>> nations/cultures need; that's a proper level of activity >>> >>> >>> >>> (if I understand correctly) >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally I think an animation or mockup of your proposed method would >>> >>> increase chances to find more interest. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Camille also wrote: "yes it is true that the font used to show the >>> text >>> >>> > has >>> >>> > to support the script. But a few free unicode fonts do exist >>> already." >>> >>> > >>> >>> > A few unicode fonts do exist but only Arial Unicode MS commonly >>> comes >>> >>> > with >>> >>> > Windows, I don't know what Linux makes available. The best way to >>> use >>> >>> > them, >>> >>> > as I see it, is to implement the "unicode mode" of input in the >>> office >>> >>> > applications, with the two boxes "choose unicodfoe range" and >>> "choose >>> >>> > unicode font," in which you first specify which range you are >>> typing >>> >>> > it, and >>> >>> > then choose from a number of fonts that support that range. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Thanks. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Camilla Boemann <c...@boemann.dk> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Hi >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> I don't understand this either. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> 1) all text in calligra is unicode >>> >>> >> 2) we have a dialog that allows you to enter specific charactes >>> from >>> >>> >> any >>> >>> >> unicode range >>> >>> >> 3) yes it is true that the font used to show the text has to >>> support >>> >>> >> the >>> >>> >> script. But a few free unicode fonts do exist already >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Saturday 02 July 2016 15:13:03 Huxshathra Theudanaz wrote: >>> >>> >> > A distinction between two types of input, a "type mode" and an >>> >>> >> > "unicode >>> >>> >> > mode" in all Calligra applications. In "unicode mode," there >>> should >>> >>> >> > be >>> >>> >> > two >>> >>> >> > boxes, one that asks to "choose unicodfoe range" and the other >>> that >>> >>> >> > asks >>> >>> >> > to >>> >>> >> > "choose unicode font." Users should select an unicode range, >>> such as >>> >>> >> > Greek >>> >>> >> > or Cyrillic, and then choose from a number of unicode fonts, >>> which >>> >>> >> > should >>> >>> >> > come with Calligra, that support that range. >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > "Type mode" and "unicode mode" are different even now. If >>> someone >>> >>> >> > wants >>> >>> >> > to >>> >>> >> > type in non-Western European characters, they usually type in >>> "type >>> >>> >> > mode" >>> >>> >> > using fonts they buy. Another option is to type in an unicode >>> font >>> >>> >> > such >>> >>> >> > as >>> >>> >> > Arial Unicode MS, and the other unicode fonts are obscure. As >>> one >>> >>> >> > plus, >>> >>> >> > "unicode mode" of input will allow these typists to type in >>> their >>> >>> >> > language >>> >>> >> > or script without having at buy extra fonts. >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > Plus word processors and email clients and apps usually do >>> >>> >> > distinguish >>> >>> >> > between "type" and "unicode." This feature will fully allow >>> someone >>> >>> >> > to >>> >>> >> > type, create, and share documents in unicode. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> calligra-devel mailing list >>> >>> >> calligra-devel@kde.org >>> >>> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > calligra-devel mailing list >>> >>> > calligra-devel@kde.org >>> >>> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> regards, Jaroslaw Staniek >>> >>> >>> >>> KDE: >>> >>> : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, >>> >>> translators >>> >>> : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - >>> >>> http://kde.org >>> >>> Calligra Suite: >>> >>> : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org >>> >>> Kexi: >>> >>> : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi >>> >>> Qt Certified Specialist: >>> >>> : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> calligra-devel mailing list >>> >>> calligra-devel@kde.org >>> >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > calligra-devel mailing list >>> > calligra-devel@kde.org >>> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> regards, Jaroslaw Staniek >>> >>> KDE: >>> : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, >>> translators >>> : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - >>> http://kde.org >>> Calligra Suite: >>> : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org >>> Kexi: >>> : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi >>> Qt Certified Specialist: >>> : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek >>> _______________________________________________ >>> calligra-devel mailing list >>> calligra-devel@kde.org >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel >>> >> >> >
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