Hi John.
Why not give it a go my old friend.
As soon as this Lock down is over, I intend doing just that, Perhaps you'd
consider joining me.
Though this time, I'll not use the wonderful Olympus DS50 withthe BSm
microphones, but rather, the BSM set attached to my Zoom F8n.
We could arrange to meet at Glasgow Central Stn.
Here is the walk I've now done at leaset half a dozen times. I bet you can
follow this in your head John, because you needed to know the city, given
your job!
.
After getting the ferry across from Kilcreggan to Gouroch, I get the express
to Glasgow Central Stn.
I ask for sighted assistance when alighting from the train from Scotrail
staff to walk me out to Gavins St.
I turn left , then left again and walk down to the Highlanders Umbrela on
Argyle Street.
I walk along to the crossing at Jamaca St, cross the crossing to the other
side and walk down to Richard Sounds and to Kenny's Mucic next door.
I can usually get bits and bobs in these shops.
Then I'd go back up Jamaca street and cross Argyle St agian and walk right
up Buchanan street to the Apple store and onto Northface for something for
walking the hills, like a new fleese.
Here is the interesting bit, continue to Walk up Buchanan St and glide
over to the right side and look for Greggs.
Buy 2 of their lovely Vegan sausage rolls and cut through the path to Dows
Bar, just at Queen St station and have a couple of ice Cold Beers .
Normally I'd cross the road into Queen St Stn and get a train to
Helensburgh.
Go into the Station Bar for another beer, then get the bus to Kilcreggan and
a 2 mile walk up the hill to my home.
Now John , that is indeed a really grand day out and there is nothing Truer
than the statement that Glasgow really is the Friendly City, for as you
know, the people in the city are just fantastic and you don't even kneed to
ask for assistance, it's just there all the time in 3D friendlyness.
Only one thing John, I'd rather have a lovely day rather than pissing rain,
which is often the case unfortunately.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gurd via groups.io" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy, for that
authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them to, or maybe, a head
brace to clip them to your own head to be fully immersive as you walk down
the street. Lol.
Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be to port
these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile recording in a city
street? I'd love to try it.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello,
Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider them as being
expensive.
https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html
Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link suggests you
are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham going to see if I can add
them to my collection. They would be fun.
Regards,
On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A
13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Hello Andy,
The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band
with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for
a guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you
to make a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be
cardioid polar pattern.
Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a
smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin
omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close
up details as the above professional recording.
Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every
day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is
that it picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass
down on the table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub
has a squeaky door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds
become a part of the music. It is not until we start recording we realise
how much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we
unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the audience.
But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic hears it then it is
heard on the recording. Which actually can sound better than a studio
recording because it has character.
In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different
mics in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you
have said that you want a big sound stage which means you want a
omnidirectional. When you have experienced the limitations of those mics
you might want to narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and
better subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain and
how much you want to learn against how much you just want to get the job
done. We are not computers so can’t be programmed to understand we need
some experience to work from. You have done a recording of a dawn chorus
and it is up to you. Either to accept that is how it is or think how can
I make the next one different.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi again Georgina.
I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound.
So I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to
get a wider picture?
Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's
Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic
microphones with a very good bridth of sound, particually when out and
about in a city with all the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of
microphone known as an omnidirectional microphone also?
It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can
forget all about other types of mics.
It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my
local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of
about 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording
bird calls some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance
of about 30 Ft.
So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for
omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying
models though.
Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about
moisture, particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy
morning duew.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and
get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a
omnidirectional microphone that you can protect from the weather. As
some condenser mics are easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic
you are looking at a dynamic omnidirectional. The quality is dependent
upon the size of your wallet.
However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to
the television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death
and detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees
not one bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid
pattern is like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the
further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or
back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the
mic so those sources are behind the mic.
It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your
fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to
consider using a fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those
pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all.
Getting more confused as the day goes on.
The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's
just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone,
but just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree
of width,
I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see
the attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area.
Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone
with a wide spread.
For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus,
recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on
right angle microphone.
Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos
I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio
Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet
above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in
Texas???
Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should
look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube .
It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a
good podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer.
So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more
consideration.
Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to
Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided
earlier today by Gena.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
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Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a
shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon
one bird or those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup
area is shown as a heart shape. The number of channels does not express
the polar pattern. If Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is
an omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is
omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then
again it is something else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy
and many choices and it is for him to decide what the end result is
that he requires. i.e. What size stage does Andy want?
There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the
microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an
individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn
Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit
suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully.
PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not
a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but
they tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't
so possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden
alone. You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a
small garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Georgina
Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape
tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and
his post caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did
not want ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden.
Unless he lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a
field. I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is
with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See
this:
https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being
off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it
would be the best for ambient recordings.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Georgina
Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth
Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser
MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the
MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is
my mic of choice. I think that would really do the job.
Regards,
On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all.
I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I
have are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6.
I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a
clue as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy
it.
I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large
Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the
appropriate XLR plugs.
Can anyone please give me some advice.
Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant
option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the
recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within
the H6 that Re-sets the device back to factory settings.
I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution
silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some
samples.
Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.
Andy Logue from Scotland.
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