A switch? Now I need more hardware on my site. :-\ 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 11:12:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 

You don't do it on a router, you bond it with a switch and do the 
layer 4 hashing on it's ASIC, then uplink it via SFP+.to your router. 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote: 
> I am not aware of any notable backbone-ready router platform (something that 
> speaks BGP+OSPF+MPLS, takes full tables and can carry multiple VRFs) that 
> does layer-4 hashing in ASICs/hardware... Routers are not intended to be 
> load balancers. 
> 
> It's not a microwave problem, the same issue is seen if you portchannel two 
> 1Gbps fiber connections between routers. 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: 
>> 
>> That's not exactly true, it depends on the hashing method. If your 
>> equipment can do Layer 4 hashing, then you absolutely can maximize the 
>> aggregate throughput via single stream. 
>> 
>> Sadly, LAG/LACP as a whole like this sucks terribly for 
>> wireless/microwave. 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote: 
>> > Looking at the 2200FX it has regular SFP ports, so at 2Gbps (500 MHz 
>> > channel 
>> > 32QAM?) FDD, you can only achieve 2Gbps by doing an 802.3ad between two 
>> > routers. In which case no single customer data stream will exeed 1Gbps. 
>> > Not 
>> > quite the same thing as having a radio with a SFP+ 10GbE interface. 
>> > 
>> > That said it will probably be less costly than the equivalent options 
>> > from 
>> > Bridgewave, E-Band or perhaps SIAE. 
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Peter Kranz <[email protected]> 
>> > wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Siklu has both a high power and low power 2Gbps radio now. The high 
>> >> power 
>> >> unit is not on their website but due next month and its really much 
>> >> more 
>> >> than the cheap one honestly. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Peter Kranz 
>> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
>> >> Mobile: 510-207-0000 
>> >> [email protected] 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:55 PM 
>> >> To: [email protected] 
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Without violating any manufacturer's NDA, this is the tip of an 
>> >> iceberg, 
>> >> the Russians just happen to be publishing info a tiny bit earlier than 
>> >> the 
>> >> other 80 GHz radio manufacturers. There are 10GbE 256QAM FDD radios in 
>> >> development and field testing from all of the significant players in 
>> >> the 
>> >> industry. 
>> >> 
>> >> I would expect the 'new' 5Gbps to 10Gbps radios to ship in the US at a 
>> >> price point under $20k per link including antennas, which will occupy 
>> >> the 
>> >> price tier previously occupied by the 1Gbps high-powered 80 GHz stuff 
>> >> that 
>> >> began shipping 3.5 to 4 years ago. Then you have the lower powered less 
>> >> expensive 80 GHz stuff like Siklu which has a max Tx power of +8 or +10 
>> >> and 
>> >> will come down further from its already-low price under $10k/link. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Putting 2 and 2 together, from a FB post, it looks like they're 20k GBP 
>> >> per link. That sounds simply awesome if they are. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ----- 
>> >> Mike Hammett 
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> >> 
>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> >> 
>> >> The Brothers WISP 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ________________________________ 
>> >> 
>> >> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> 
>> >> To: [email protected] 
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 5:42:25 PM 
>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 
>> >> 
>> >> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz 
>> >> bands. 
>> >> Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly 
>> >> does it 
>> >> drop off with rain? 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
> 
> 

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