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I never had issue with non religious types, the biggest issue with some of them is theyre heretics in their non religiousness, like theyd burn others at the stake for not agreeing or listening. I treat those kinds the same as vegans and other non people. Wasnt russian orthodoxy the state religion? On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 12:55 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a hard core non-religious type. My mother's parents immigrated from > Russia (a part that is now Lithuania). There was no such thing as > "documented" when they came over, so I guess I am descended from illegals. > They were Russian Orthodox, and according to my Mom, they held a hard line. > She was abused by her husband, and so sought a divorce. For that she was > shunned, and never saw them again. That built a pretty strong anti-religion > ethic in me at a pretty young age. I've never deviated from that, and when > I hear people getting all religious, I practically run screaming. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 9/23/2025 8:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Faith cuts both ways. It can make people hold themselves to high > standards and do good in the world. Or it can make them believe they are > God’s chosen ones and everyone else is wrong and needs to change their > ways. Worse, they can seek to use government to force their religious > beliefs on others. > > > > Seems trite but one way to put it is “I am on God’s side” vs “God is on my > side”, a quote attributed to Abe Lincoln. > > > > As you may guess, I have some issues with much of organized religion. > (Too many examples of bad things done in the name of religion.) But I was > raised in a church that focused on how each of us needs to be a better > person, not on the failings of others. It was also very ecumenical, > believing we are all children of one God even if we identify as Protestant, > Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever. > > > > I do appreciate how members of the LDS church put faith into action by > going on missions, and how they respect diverse religious beliefs. > > https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/interfaith > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Chuck > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 9:02 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > Pretty good assessment. He was a proselytizer for certain. I admire > people with the faith to do that. They put their faith into action. I > dont think he was a racial bigot. But against the trans community, perhaps. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 23, 2025, at 3:19 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As I've said before. I knew nothing about Kirk until I heard he'd been > shot. Only after I heard he died and I also heard Donnie trash talking the > left did I go look to see what he was about. > > All I saw from listening to what I could stand to listen to did I come to > the conclusion that Kirk is a proselytizer, and maybe a bigot. I'm not > calling him a racist, as he kind of dances around that concept, but he sure > sounded like a bigot to me. > > For sure Donnie is a bigot. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 9/23/2025 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I must be living under a rock, because I never heard all this negativity > about Charlie Kirk. As far as I knew he was like a lot of preachers, > influencers or people with podcasts, apparently very earnest and popular > with young people. As long as he didn’t have the power to put me in jail > or call up the military or something, I didn’t pay a lot of attention. I > wasn’t college age so not his target audience anyway. I guess there were > people talking trash about him, but I must not run in those circles. > > > > It does seem though like many people in Trump’s orbit are taking advantage > of this to advance their own agenda. Somehow “the left” is responsible, > and there must be a crackdown using the full power of the federal > government, and anyone who criticizes or mocks Trump is guilty of calling > for violence and/or insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk. > > > > Like what Kimmel actually said (however ill advised) or Harris calling > Trump a tyrant. Geez, I thought Trump would take that as a compliment. > I’m not advocating for Harris, but since when is calling Trump a tyrant > equal to calling for violence or somehow attacking Charlie Kirk? Even > Kimmel, he didn’t say anything against Kirk, he was criticizing people who > were using his death to advance their own agenda and mocking Trump for > pivoting immediately from grief for his friend to bragging about his fancy > new ballroom. Too soon even for a comedian, but he wasn’t calling for > violence or attacking Charlie Kirk. > > > > Actually, I thought what Trump said at the Kirk memorial was inappropriate > for a memorial service. It’s always about him. If anyone was insulting > the memory of Charlie Kirk, there you go. Instead of hugging him, I wish > his wife (widow) would have slapped him. She gave a nice speech. He was > an asshole, as usual. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 2:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > You will certainly get him talking about it > > > > Your serving his purpose talking about it because he did > > > > Just like when he hints at the third term > > > > But CK, when you get past the soundbytes and to the actual meat of the > conversation in which the soundbite was obtained, youll understand why last > sunday was the magnitude it was, and why is growing > > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 2:13 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks! This whole discussion has made me realize more about CK than any > of the "channels" professing their own agendas. Just to be clear, I was > already on the side of DEI being way too extreme and why Kamala was going > to lose. She has long been all about who was paying her than actually > having ethics. > When she was chosen by Biden I knew shit was going to hit the fan. > > I actually experienced her defense of PG&E when they let a whole > neighborhood explode and the evil that entailed. > > Sorry though I still cannot get behind what tRump is doing to the > constitution and the destruction of the three sides of US government. > Washington said never to put his image on $$ while he was alive. I predict > we will get tRump coinage in a year. > > On 9/23/25 12:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > No, United back-pedaled it quicker than Tractor Supply or Cracker Barrel. > > > > The point is, Charlie Kirk made an theoretical though experiment argument > right after they announced it. He got excoriated for the argument as > racist. And his foes only broadcast his final few words, not the whole > argument with rationale. > > > > And they continue to do this as proof of how racist he was. It is > disingenuous at best and more than likely simply an attempt to smear with a > lie. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Robert > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:29 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > While clip 1 is the CEO a year ago doing PR and clip 2 is funny, neither > represent the actual results of the hiring "mandate". The actual butts in > seats results may be wildly different.. Don't you think that the actual > hiring changed as of Nov 24? > > On 9/23/25 11:06 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Here ya go, CEO of United Airlines: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Is5V4Ac8TQA > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PjsbmsWtrI > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Robert > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:00 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to bet that none of > these are the true numbers. & I'll also bet that the United number was a > desired requirement, not a hard requirement, and they had 10 ways to hire > around it going through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is from > the smaller airlines. You don't get the big bucks until you survive on > the small bucks. I have two friends rising through the minor airlines > right now and they are semi-prime candidates but still going through all > the hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor airlines from > pilots that end up finding more money flying other paths when they need to > support their families. Air cargo and such. > > On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source) > > There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of them > wash out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you > need to become a first officer. > > > > So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are > saying there is a shortage. > > > > Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs, your > HR department says half have to be black/women. > > > > Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available. > > Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200. > > 450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount. > > > > How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number of > hours required. But even if you took it all the way down to the 1500 hours > it takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to fill 5X > the requirement. And you will have 450 underqualified people sitting in > the right seat in front. > > > > I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide. I > think it is low. I found another number saying that United Airlines (the > one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each > year. > > Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event, that > would make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 > where there are only 450 available assuming your company gets all 450. > > > > It’s math bitch, not racism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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