Faith cuts both ways. It can make people hold themselves to high
standards and do good in the world. Or it can make them believe they
are God’s chosen ones and everyone else is wrong and needs to change
their ways. Worse, they can seek to use government to force their
religious beliefs on others.
Seems trite but one way to put it is “I am on God’s side” vs “God is
on my side”, a quote attributed to Abe Lincoln.
As you may guess, I have some issues with much of organized religion.
(Too many examples of bad things done in the name of religion.) But I
was raised in a church that focused on how each of us needs to be a
better person, not on the failings of others. It was also very
ecumenical, believing we are all children of one God even if we
identify as Protestant, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever.
I do appreciate how members of the LDS church put faith into action by
going on missions, and how they respect diverse religious beliefs.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/interfaith
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 9:02 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Cc:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
Pretty good assessment. He was a proselytizer for certain. I admire
people with the faith to do that. They put their faith into action.
I dont think he was a racial bigot. But against the trans community,
perhaps.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 23, 2025, at 3:19 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
As I've said before. I knew nothing about Kirk until I heard he'd
been shot. Only after I heard he died and I also heard Donnie
trash talking the left did I go look to see what he was about.
All I saw from listening to what I could stand to listen to did I
come to the conclusion that Kirk is a proselytizer, and maybe a
bigot. I'm not calling him a racist, as he kind of dances around
that concept, but he sure sounded like a bigot to me.
For sure Donnie is a bigot.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/23/2025 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I must be living under a rock, because I never heard all this
negativity about Charlie Kirk. As far as I knew he was like a
lot of preachers, influencers or people with podcasts,
apparently very earnest and popular with young people. As
long as he didn’t have the power to put me in jail or call up
the military or something, I didn’t pay a lot of attention. I
wasn’t college age so not his target audience anyway. I guess
there were people talking trash about him, but I must not run
in those circles.
It does seem though like many people in Trump’s orbit are
taking advantage of this to advance their own agenda. Somehow
“the left” is responsible, and there must be a crackdown using
the full power of the federal government, and anyone who
criticizes or mocks Trump is guilty of calling for violence
and/or insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk.
Like what Kimmel actually said (however ill advised) or Harris
calling Trump a tyrant. Geez, I thought Trump would take that
as a compliment. I’m not advocating for Harris, but since
when is calling Trump a tyrant equal to calling for violence
or somehow attacking Charlie Kirk? Even Kimmel, he didn’t say
anything against Kirk, he was criticizing people who were
using his death to advance their own agenda and mocking Trump
for pivoting immediately from grief for his friend to bragging
about his fancy new ballroom. Too soon even for a comedian,
but he wasn’t calling for violence or attacking Charlie Kirk.
Actually, I thought what Trump said at the Kirk memorial was
inappropriate for a memorial service. It’s always about him.
If anyone was insulting the memory of Charlie Kirk, there you
go. Instead of hugging him, I wish his wife (widow) would
have slapped him. She gave a nice speech. He was an asshole,
as usual.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 2:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
You will certainly get him talking about it
Your serving his purpose talking about it because he did
Just like when he hints at the third term
But CK, when you get past the soundbytes and to the actual
meat of the conversation in which the soundbite was obtained,
youll understand why last sunday was the magnitude it was, and
why is growing
On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 2:13 PM Robert
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks! This whole discussion has made me realize more
about CK than any of the "channels" professing their own
agendas. Just to be clear, I was already on the side of
DEI being way too extreme and why Kamala was going to
lose. She has long been all about who was paying her than
actually having ethics.
When she was chosen by Biden I knew shit was going to
hit the fan.
I actually experienced her defense of PG&E when they
let a whole neighborhood explode and the evil that entailed.
Sorry though I still cannot get behind what tRump is doing
to the constitution and the destruction of the three sides
of US government. Washington said never to put his image
on $$ while he was alive. I predict we will get tRump
coinage in a year.
On 9/23/25 12:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
No, United back-pedaled it quicker than Tractor Supply
or Cracker Barrel.
The point is, Charlie Kirk made an theoretical though
experiment argument right after they announced it. He
got excoriated for the argument as racist. And his
foes only broadcast his final few words, not the whole
argument with rationale.
And they continue to do this as proof of how racist he
was. It is disingenuous at best and more than likely
simply an attempt to smear with a lie.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:29 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
While clip 1 is the CEO a year ago doing PR and clip 2
is funny, neither represent the actual results of the
hiring "mandate". The actual butts in seats results
may be wildly different.. Don't you think that the
actual hiring changed as of Nov 24?
On 9/23/25 11:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go, CEO of United Airlines:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Is5V4Ac8TQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PjsbmsWtrI
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:00 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am
willing to bet that none of these are the true
numbers. & I'll also bet that the United number
was a desired requirement, not a hard requirement,
and they had 10 ways to hire around it going
through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is
from the smaller airlines. You don't get the big
bucks until you survive on the small bucks. I
have two friends rising through the minor airlines
right now and they are semi-prime candidates but
still going through all the hoops. There is also
a lot of washout on the minor airlines from pilots
that end up finding more money flying other paths
when they need to support their families. Air
cargo and such.
On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each
year. (from one unknown source)
There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted
each year but half of them wash out or pause
flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours
that you need to become a first officer.
So, seems supply exactly equals demand
(roughly). Other sources are saying there is a
shortage.
Now, add an artifical restriction, of that
5000 fully qualified ATPs, your HR department
says half have to be black/women.
Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are
250 available.
Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get
you 200.
450 total per year but your HR department
mandated 10X that amount.
How will you fill that requirement? Only one
way, reduce the number of hours required. But
even if you took it all the way down to the
1500 hours it takes to the the ATP you will
still only have 900 available to fill 5X the
requirement. And you will have 450
underqualified people sitting in the right
seat in front.
I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000
new pilots industry wide. I think it is low.
I found another number saying that United
Airlines (the one that had that DEI policy for
a while) uses about 2000 new ones each year.
Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each
year? In any event, that would make the
numbers still work out in a similar fashion.
Mandate 1000 where there are only 450
available assuming your company gets all 450.
It’s math bitch, not racism.
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