Thanks! This whole discussion has made me realize more about CK than
any of the "channels" professing their own agendas. Just to be clear,
I was already on the side of DEI being way too extreme and why Kamala
was going to lose. She has long been all about who was paying her than
actually having ethics.
When she was chosen by Biden I knew shit was going to hit the fan.
I actually experienced her defense of PG&E when they let a whole
neighborhood explode and the evil that entailed.
Sorry though I still cannot get behind what tRump is doing to the
constitution and the destruction of the three sides of US government.
Washington said never to put his image on $$ while he was alive. I
predict we will get tRump coinage in a year.
On 9/23/25 12:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
No, United back-pedaled it quicker than Tractor Supply or Cracker Barrel.
The point is, Charlie Kirk made an theoretical though experiment
argument right after they announced it. He got excoriated for the
argument as racist. And his foes only broadcast his final few words,
not the whole argument with rationale.
And they continue to do this as proof of how racist he was. It is
disingenuous at best and more than likely simply an attempt to smear
with a lie.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:29 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
While clip 1 is the CEO a year ago doing PR and clip 2 is funny,
neither represent the actual results of the hiring "mandate". The
actual butts in seats results may be wildly different.. Don't you
think that the actual hiring changed as of Nov 24?
On 9/23/25 11:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go, CEO of United Airlines:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Is5V4Ac8TQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PjsbmsWtrI
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:00 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to bet that
none of these are the true numbers. & I'll also bet that the
United number was a desired requirement, not a hard requirement,
and they had 10 ways to hire around it going through a hoop or
two. Most of the major hiring is from the smaller airlines. You
don't get the big bucks until you survive on the small bucks. I
have two friends rising through the minor airlines right now and
they are semi-prime candidates but still going through all the
hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor airlines from
pilots that end up finding more money flying other paths when they
need to support their families. Air cargo and such.
On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one
unknown source)
There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but
half of them wash out or pause flying prior to earning the
coveted 5000 hours that you need to become a first officer.
So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other
sources are saying there is a shortage.
Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully
qualified ATPs, your HR department says half have to be
black/women.
Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available.
Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200.
450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that
amount.
How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the
number of hours required. But even if you took it all the way
down to the 1500 hours it takes to the the ATP you will still
only have 900 available to fill 5X the requirement. And you
will have 450 underqualified people sitting in the right seat
in front.
I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots
industry wide. I think it is low. I found another number
saying that United Airlines (the one that had that DEI policy
for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each year.
Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any
event, that would make the numbers still work out in a similar
fashion. Mandate 1000 where there are only 450 available
assuming your company gets all 450.
It’s math bitch, not racism.
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