On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 17:21:41 -0700 Thiago Macieira <thi...@kde.org> said:
> On Monday 29 April 2024 22:23:44 GMT-7 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > There is worry in our community that Wayland is going to take over and x11 > > > will become obsolete. > > > > It's inevitable. We're just arguing on timescales (I think Wayland will need > > more time to mature but it'll get there). > > I used to too, but I think we'll see X.org removed from non-LTS distros by > the end of the decade. At a minimum, I don't see it being offered as a > default for desktop distros; you'll need to install with Wayland and then > later switch to X11. We probably mostly agree here - X will be around for another 5-10y imho in distros but it'll become an optional extra install towards the end of that. At some point - maybe in 10-15 it might enter "Xwayland only" mode. But in braod strokes I think we agree. > > You might not be, but you may run some app you download from some random > > place on the internet you THINK is nice (some sodoku game trinket thing) > > but it's actually trying to steal your banking details... This is only > > getting worse in a world of snaps/flatpaks ... > > And even if most people on this list don't do that, there are people who do. > I refuse to run proprietary code as much as I can, and when I can't I want it > to run as a separate user (thus non-graphical) with very strong system > protections in the systemd .service file. 100%. I also avoid these like the plague wherever I can, but it does not remove the obligation for us to build a Wayland universe for the long term future than CAN be sandboxed and apps have limit ability to cause havoc/problems. > But I have several colleagues who download flatpaks and similars. Wayland has > to be designed with that in mind. > > -- > Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org > Principal Engineer - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com
