Maybe history reads well. Early in South Africa and India Gandhi was beaten like any prisoner. And in 278 satyagrahas he received the blows. But even today leaders who found support from the public will not be touched as it would invite public violence. Aga khan or yerwada a prison is prison life. The dandi march had finally had only 78 people and when all were clubbed including Gandhi. Writing books and reading materials are provided even to murderers in prisons. Sacrifice is not living one's rich life and forcing the family to follow suit Kasturba recd the beatings Sarigini devi also. Please read about freedom struggle and passive movements and prison life. If you want to test, be allof for a day in a room and write your mental status. KR IRS 31825
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 at 10:32, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > Is it sacrifice to sit happily and write books. Next is Aga Khan Palace a > Jail,there so called Jail of Gandhi? Were they physically tortured like > Veer Savarkar? > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 3:53 PM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: N Sekar <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, Aug 30, 2025, 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [society4servingseniors] Gandhi was against Hindus as >> congress >> To: <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> >> Cc: APS Mani <[email protected]>, Surendra Varma <[email protected]>, >> Suryanarayana Ambadipudi <[email protected]>, indirapriyadarsini m >> <[email protected]>, Inder Mohan Bhalla < >> [email protected]>, Chittanandam V R <[email protected]>, >> Markendeya Yeddanapudi <[email protected]>, Dr Sundar < >> [email protected]>, venkat raman <[email protected]>, Ravi mahajan < >> [email protected]>, Venkat Giri <[email protected]>, >> SRIRAMAJAYAM <[email protected]>, Rangarajan T.N.C. < >> [email protected]>, Mathangi K. Kumar <[email protected]>, >> Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]>, Rama < >> [email protected]>, Sanathana group < >> [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer < >> [email protected]>, Satyanarayana Kunamneni <[email protected]>, >> Colinjivadi Mahadevan <[email protected]>, Ravindra Kumar Bhuwalka < >> [email protected]>, Seshadri Vellimedu <[email protected]> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> It was fun to read about Sardar Patel's so called sacrilege. Be that may, >> any one can write anything with no regards to or for, history. >> >> Yes, Nehru's family " sacrificed" BUT got more than ample rewards and >> plundered the Nation many times over. >> >> It is history that the Congress voted 13 to 0 on favor of Patel. Nobody >> can dispute that. >> >> And the Nehru clan asks for votes based on the so called " sacrifices" of >> Nehru. Well, - Sacrifice is doing something withot expecting any returns. >> Obviously they don't know the word and what it means. >> >> M K G wrote what he wrote during the mopla rebellion ( later distorted as >> freedom.struggle, to protect you inow who) where Hindus were massacred and >> their women were raped - these were no " hasty generalisations". Sai Deepak >> and Anand Ranganathan read what he wrote in a newspaper ( Harijan I >> suppose) in a public debate on Times TV WITH NO ONE, INCLUDING THE CONGRESS >> FELLOWS, OBJECTING. >> >> You can search in u tube. >> >> Not just M K G, but millions of others were subjected to harsh trarment, >> if anything only M K G and Nehru escaped such harsh treatment in INDIA from >> the British. >> >> Who could have suffered more than V O Chidamabaram PillIi? Did M K G lift >> his little finger to help him? >> >> Vanchinathsn's wife was expecting her first child when he shot collector >> Ash and committed suicide. So many others, whose sacrifices went >> unnoticed, unheard and unrecognized. So nothing great about M K G. >> >> How many times did he gonon fast when Hindus were attacked? His sympathy >> was only for one community and we live either in ignorance or denial. >> >> Admration for Patel BUT P M's post, AGAINST >> ALL DEMOCRATIC NORMS for Nehru. >> (And the great Democrat accepts that postbwoth no qualms). >> >> What a shame we accept that argument with no sense of justice and >> fairness? >> >> We are not only hypocrites but also are ungrateful to millions but 2. >> They are the be all and end all of all. >> >> No doubt the saying >> "History repeats itself as men repeat their mistakes" is true. >> I won't be surprised if I N D I Alliance is voted for, as we Hindus >> spealize in committing hara kiri. >> >> " For evil to spread what is required is for Good to keep quiet". >> >> Ww see that here also. >> >> N Sekar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 1:55 PM, Indrajit Ghose >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Vallavbhai Patel had very strong view on Subhas Chandra Bose. As a >> treasurer of Congress, Patel did not allow Bose to work freely during his >> Presidentship in 1938. Once Bose was elected for second term in 1939, it >> was Patel along with Rajagopalachari and Rajendra Prasad revolted. It >> became an impasse for Bose to function while Patel manuvuared Gandhi and >> other erstwhile Working Committee members to expel Bose. Only Nehru >> remained neutral. >> >> Bose was arrested immediately after demiting office, got bail, arranged a >> few public meeting, again got arrested, gone for hunger strike and later >> house interned for most of 1940 and escaped in January, 1941. >> However, Vallavbhai, s elder brother Vittalbhai had liking for Bose in >> Europe and bequeathed his wealth to Bose. This was challenged by >> Vallavbhai. Ultimately Bose gave it back. But Patel remained suspicious of >> Bose and his other family members. ( Bose, s are fourteen siblings ). Even >> after Bose, s disappearance, possible death, all other Bose family members >> were under IB observations for very very long time. >> >> Indrajit Ghose >> >> On Sat, 30 Aug, 2025, 1:14 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> This is what is known as hasty generalisation. Between sardar and Nehru >> there are facts and no distinction was shown. >> After Independence, he became India's first Deputy Prime Minister. On >> the first anniversary of Independence, Sardar Patel was appointed as the >> First Home Minister of India. He was also in charge of the States >> Department and the Information and Broadcasting Ministry. Mahatma Gandhi >> <https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=3768679dafddd1ea&sxsrf=AE3TifMzjcJ2REVGgQC_tJWNnVaFKnn5Xg:1756538329907&q=Mahatma+Gandhi&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju38CZ_7GPAxVdS2wGHQUIAT0QxccNegUIgwEQAQ> >> gave >> the title of "Sardar" to Vallabhbhai Patel in recognition of his excellent >> organizational skills during the Bardoli Satyagraha >> <https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=3768679dafddd1ea&sxsrf=AE3TifMzjcJ2REVGgQC_tJWNnVaFKnn5Xg:1756538329907&q=Bardoli+Satyagraha&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju38CZ_7GPAxVdS2wGHQUIAT0QxccNegUIgwEQAg> >> of >> 1928, a protest against high land taxes levied by the British on farmers in >> the Bardoli region of Gujarat. The title means "chief" or "leader" in >> Hindi and signifies Gandhi's admiration for Patel's leadership and success >> in resolving the issue. Patel's role in organizing and leading the >> farmers through this struggle showcased his strong leadership qualities, >> earning him widespread respect. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel is famous as >> the "Iron Man of India" and "Unifier of India" for his crucial role in the >> Indian Freedom Movement, his integration of over 560 princely states into >> the Indian Union after independence, and for establishing the all-India >> civil services system, which provided a stable administrative foundation >> for the new democracy. He was a key leader of the Indian National >> Congress, a close associate of Mahatma Gandhi, and the first Deputy Prime >> Minister of India. There is a book "speeches of sardar vallabai patel" >> where one may find his broadminded words bound by discipline. One shall >> always remember that only one can become a PM; but he was given the >> portfolio so coveted. Nehru might have been led to think erroneously due >> to coteries, later but his family gave the assets to congress which is a >> sacrifice. Reward is decided by a leader on various factors; Azad and so >> many did act against the wishes of Gandhi. Individual judgements if given >> weight as read here, then all of us must also accept that PM Modi is a >> chori. There are more things on heaven and earth Horatio KR IRS 30825 >> >> On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 at 11:49, N Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank you >> >> M K Gandhi's shenanigans did not stop with asking Muslims to stay back >> only. >> >> The so called Mahatma brazenly overruled the Congess Working Committee's >> (or whatever it was called then) 13 to 0 vote in favor of Sardar Patel to >> be P M. He " persuaded " the Sardar to withdraw and the so called great >> Democrat Nehru, who was sulking, gleefully and greedily accepted the P M' s >> post. >> >> How an ungrateful Nehru, because he saw the Sardar as a threat, treated >> the latter is history. >> Patel's daughter died in penury while we all know how the Nehru clan >> looted our country. >> >> Problem is our distorted history and even text books have hidden or >> downplayed Netaji and Patel and others while singing one family's glory - >> sort of " Hail to the Chief". >> >> M.K G did not offer legal assistance to the great V O Chidambaram, as the >> latter was not his trusted, blind follower. >> >> Those who rever M K G should read the statement of the great patriot >> Nathuram Godse in the court, defending his killing of M K G. Not that I >> support the assasinstion. >> But the so called great Democrat Nehru banned it as it was too truthful >> for his comfort. >> >> M K G did not support Netaji, ostensibly because the former was not >> following his so called pacifist agenda and distorted ahimsa. >> Needless to say his asking the Hindu women to submit to the Mopla >> atrocities on them which I have already described was so abhorrent. >> >> Those who defended M K G should ask their conscience whether they would >> have asked their own women folk to submit themselves so. >> >> One has to read the letters Patel wrote to Nehru while serving as >> Bharat's Home Minister to see what a great P M he would have been but for >> the fraud that denied him what was legitimately his right, as he was the >> elected leader. He warned Nehru, as early as 1949 not to trust the Chinese >> but Nehru as usual, in his arrogance, did not heed the wise counsel but >> Bharat paid a heavy price, the clan still follows that path as shown by the >> still secret Agreement signed by them during the sad U P A Era. The party >> has not denied signing such an agreement but would not disclose its >> contents, for obvious reasons >> >> Still there people in this country who tho think the present avatar of >> Congress as that of INC. >> >> Nehru's and Cingress' gift is, >> Article 370 >> Waqf Act >> Control of Hindi temples and Hindu religious affairs only >> Just to name a few. >> >> We are a hypocrite Nation Sir, we will mouth platitudes so we can bask in >> secular glory. Forget Kashmir, forget the happenings in W Bengal, forget >> the iunrestricted influx of foreigners, forget the rampant conversions. >> >> Hail to the one and only family. >> >> N Sekar >> >> >> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81ZcQeV7ELTd_85BtSHMy_yWH6GFdb3%2Bz-ZkqePyrErRGww%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81ZcQeV7ELTd_85BtSHMy_yWH6GFdb3%2Bz-ZkqePyrErRGww%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > *Mar* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Thatha_Patty" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BakCNrtUtbDSiu%3DJvswcPVaKiUqbkftTtxnfiL_Jz%3Dfg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BakCNrtUtbDSiu%3DJvswcPVaKiUqbkftTtxnfiL_Jz%3Dfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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