Mr Rajarm,
A person like you can better be Bull shit. I am sorry to state. For your
information I have checked Oxford dictionary. In my dictionary page 92, the
same meanings are given for "native" as given by google.
Perhaps dictionary too need not provide accurate meaning for you.
Mr Rajaram, admit you are wrong in understanding the meaning of NATIVE.
If you abuse more , it will opening to other members your knowledge is poor.
As I always write, others may have better caliber than you. Please understand.
I am a high ranked candidate in BSc Physics of Kerala University in 1964.
R. Gopalakrishnan former ITS 7024.
On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 at 07:19:34 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Have you heard Bull shit that is you? I know both. Yet you wish to stay on
that unknown subject as if learned. Google need not provide so accurate Thank
you as I know your avivekam well KR
On Wed, 7 May 2025 at 16:58, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Once again forwarded. Mr. Rajaram, your basic knowledge about native itself is
WRONG.
GOPALAKRISHNAN
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Thatha <[email protected]>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2025 at 11:50:56
am ISTSubject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] VALMIKI ASHRAM
Native- connected with the place where you were born or where you have always
lived.
On Wednesday 7 May, 2025 at 11:42:53 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
I do not know what to say? I did not want to add that information but now u
forced me; vandavasi was a native as it is for so many of us but never we were
born there. So too chetpet bungalow where I had gone many times as college
student and later. Wonder? Pattabiraman MP is known to me as his son Nagarajan
SSC and IAS assam cadre retd as chief secretary (I had written in these
columns) is my classmate and friend too close. Thank u for allowing me to add
one more. KR IRS 7525
On Wed, 7 May 2025 at 11:31, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Google search results-
Chetput RamaswamiPattabhiraman (Tamil: சேத்துப்பட்டு ராமசவாமி ஐயர்
பட்டாபிராமன்; 11 November 1906 – 19 June 2001) was an Indian lawyer and
politicianfrom the Indian National Congress. He was the eldest son of Indian
statesman C. P. RamaswamiIyer. He served as a Member of Indian Parliament from
Kumbakonamfrom 1957 to 1967 and as a Union Minister from 1966 to 1967.
Dr. C.P. RAMASWAMI AIYAR
MILESTONES
13.11.1879 Born on Deepavali Day at Wandiwash, North Arcot about twohours
before dawn. Only child of C.R. Pattabhirama Aiyar, City CivilJudge, and
Seethalakshmi Ammal (Rangammal).
Every member is having good knowledge. Now you are wrong it is proved. If not
convinced again make google search for yourself.
Elephant also will slip. Think before abusing others.
Gopalakrishnan
On Wednesday 7 May, 2025 at 07:25:51 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
How many oversights AK ? I never said C P R is my uncle; his next in Rank
contemporary was my uncle from Mankombu who worked with TVM Maharaja. And
Vandavasi may be your figment of imagination. He is from Chetput Pattabiraman
Ramasamy. Lots of oversights AK Do not resist Accept and stay put. KR IRS 7525
On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 19:57, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree I had an oversight of reading kandiyur as Madurai and took it to
memory. How many such oversights you commit every day? So it is you better to
be called Annakavati and not me.Coming to Late CP Ramaswamy iyer, Diwan of
Travancore, is learnt from native of Vandavasi near Cheyyar in Kanchipuram
District. You have stated he is your uncle- mother's brother. While you are
from Swamimalai, how he can be native of Vandavasi? Or he is just a
cousin?Gopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 6 May 2025 at 06:15:08 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
You prove your foolishness more. I had written allready you don't read
nproperky. That is anna kavadi KR
On Tue, 6 May 2025, 16:20 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers,
<[email protected]> wrote:
What is the distance between Kandiyur and Seamimalai? What is meant by
Annakkavati¿
Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer
On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 14:10, Rajaram Krishnamurthy<[email protected]>
wrote: Truth is bitter. Yes Harikesanallur Muthaiha bhagavathar is our
relation and I hold >100 year old saraswati with me. I DID NOT WRITE SWAMIMALAI
TO MADURAI SIR; THIS IS HOW THE MUSKETEERS WILL INSINUATE AND THEN ASSERT I
WROTE AND DENIED; MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WALKED FROM SWAMIMALAI TO KANDIYUR (NOT
MADURAI; AND THAT IS THE WAY GOPALA WRITES WITHOUT READING IN ANGER AS HE GETS
KICKED UP BEING SUCH AVIVEKI) ; I have many more;yes my mother's brother was
subordinate with Sir C P Ramasamy Iyer trivandrum maharaja; so what? more I
have; why should some anna kavadi (if he is not he would have behaved better)
write nonsense after nonsense and be tolerated by elites? Silly behaviours of
flocks? Negligence of members only makes the tails being wagged so fast. K R
IRS 6525
On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 11:00, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear friends,
As I expected Mr Rajaram has reacted. "What is the inborn nature of Gopala?;
illiteracy and then bouncing back?"
Whether illiteracy can be an inborn nature? Mr Rajaram does not think before
he reacts. Bouncing back can be an inborn nature. Before reacting he should
think twice.
I have read his responses- He has stated his great grand father late Muthiah
was from Harikesanallur. He has also responded his greet grand mothers have
walked from Swamimalai to Madurai and returned back on the same day after
seeing their sisters.
If I refer this in a later mail I am sure- he will refute telling he did not
wrote so and ask me to reproduce them. If I have to keep in store his postings,
I require a very large external memory for it.
I don't argue with Mr Rajaram. All of you know how much I am literate. No
comparison I make. Arguing or exchanging mails with him only disturb mental
peace.
Gopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 6 May 2025 at 09:55:01 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Orally transmitted are the versions of our Vedas and other scriptures too ,so
what? Even Greek and bible and Quron, buddisa, Jainisa are orally transmitted
only. What is the inborn nature of Gopala?; illiteracy and then bouncing
back?; KUPPURA KAVIZHNDAALUM, MEESAYIL MANN OTTALAI? oRIGINAL IS HISTORY; THE
FOLLOW UP IS OUT OF bHAKTI; lEGEND IS A STORY UNAUTHENICATED; BUT BECAUSE THERE
IS NO SAND IN THE MOUCHE, DOES NOT MEAN HE BECAME WISE? K Rajaram IRS 6525
On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 09:16, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear friends,
Leave aside abuse. It is inborn nature with Mr Rajaram.
Whether it is Valmiki Ramayana or Uttara Ramayana , they came by oral
tradition. Let us first accept it.
I found a satisfactory answer to my query about the legend where Lakshmana left
Sita in the forest. In the answer, he stayed after crossing Ganga in a place
and next day he traveled to Valmiki Ashram at that time in a forest, now Bitur
near Kanpur.
After Yugas, many other places are told as having Valmiki Ashramams. All are
legends. On google search friends can read the many answers.
Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 09:30:25 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear allI found a response by Mr Gopalakrishnan, having no head or tail, or
containing any sensible matter. I thought he has a little brain to
understand but being always foolish ,he writes only as an aviveki; orelse he
would have understood how he shall write even if there are contradictions; not
so authoritatively without reading the text and system of life described in the
epics. One who cannot distinguish between a Legend and ITIOHASa and PURANA
(having not read anything but posing as if knew a lot and doing only just copy
and paste, may not know what he was writing. Before attending Ramayanam , let
me drive the nail into his head. Today at Dallas (many USA places) my friend
is living on the opposite side, 12 homes in a straight line away, which if we
walk across the homes gaps will take just 5 minutes to reach; but it is illegal
in USA; so had to take the road all around which a car takes 10 minutes and by
walk may be 45 minutes. Samje? Thus, a day travel differs on so many factors
between eras which he himself would know who lives in an area which were barren
once and now active and walking across , could have been lost. 2 A horse
arabic-like robust can travel at 25 miles per hour (not today's horses home
trained) and in a day can do 100 to 150 miles so easily. Though uttara kanda
is named as that of Valmiki as Lava kusa sang the whole verses, still Valmiki
said he is finishing the Ramayana at the last chap of Yudha kanda, the 131st
chap he is done with. A chariot is made up of a minimum 4 horses and not
english carriages. A chariot can do the whole day and night with rest rarely.
And can run >250 miles white horse power. Even assuming uttara kanda is by
valmiki, from that kanda facts gatherers are as under which had he read a
learned, would have got it so easily. And his doubtful Thomas woke up only
because of his seetha temple at Wayanad. And without app[lication of the mind
wrote nonsense. Now facts:
Back in Ayodhya, Rama decided to perform an Ashwamedha yagna.The meandering
horse reached Valmiki’s ashrama on the banks of River Ganga,while he was
attending Rama’s Ashwamedha ceremony. Kusha and Lava defeated manystalwarts
like Bharata’s son Pushkala, Seeta’s brother Lakshmi Nidhi,Shatrughna, Hanuman,
and Sugriva. The humbled warriors returned to the site ofthe yagna with the
horse. When Rama heard about the astonishing events atValmiki’s ashrama, he
went to meet the sage. Valmiki disclosed that thetalented twins are his sons,
and wanted Rama to accept Seeta and his 2 sons.
Ramarequested Lakshmana to get Seeta and his 2 sons. Even though
Lakshmana statedthat Rama now longs for her company, Seeta refused to join him
but sent herreluctant sons. Rama was heartbroken to hear about Seeta’s decision
but resentLakshmana. Meanwhile, Valmiki told Kusha and Lava to sing all the
shlokam theyhave memorized from the 6 books of his composition of Ramayana. On
hearing it,Rama, like many others, shed tears of joy. Rama embraced them firmly
to hisbody. Meanwhile, Seeta agreed to meet Rama. At the yagna location, in the
presenceof other illustrious sages, Valmiki declared that from the powers of
histapasya (austerities) of thousands of years, he can say with confidence
thatSeeta is pati-vrata (chaste). Rama admitted he knows that but the
publicscandal forced him to take that decision. Seeta prayed to Bhoomidevi
(GoddessEarth) to receive her if she is pure. An extravagant throne emerged
from theground and Seeta willinglydescended into Mother Earth’s lap. This is
believed to be at the present-daySeeta samahit-sthal between Varanasi and
Prayagraj in Uttar Pradesh state.There was a continued shower of flowers from
the sky.
Rishi Valmiki’s other ashrama-s were in present-day:
Lahore
Ram Tirith near Amritsar in Punjab state
Dhamtan (Dharmasthan) near Narwana in Haryana state
Seetamata Wildlife Sanctuary in Rajasthan state
Near Koteshwar Mahadev temple in Ambaji in Gujarat state
Chitrakoota in Madhya Pradesh state
Bithoor on the banksof River Ganga in Uttar Pradesh state. The Ashram of
Valmiki was in Brahmvarta, which is located in Bithoor. It is believed that
Sita spent timeat the Valmiki Ashram after being exiled by Lord Ram. Bithoor is
believed to bethe birthplace of the sons of Lord Rama, Luv and Kush.
Baleni village on the banks of River Hindon near Meerutcity in Uttar Pradesh
state
Valmiki Nagar on the Bihar state border with Nepal
Deosal Shiva temple in Morigaon district of Assam state
Tapoban Valmiki Ashram in Nayagram in Jhargram district ofWest Bengal state.
There is a Rameshwar Shiva temple nearby
Tapovan Hill near Vaidyanath jyotirlinga temple in Deogharin Jharkhand state
Valmiki ashram in Koraput district of Odisha state whereValmiki language is
spoken even today
Turturiya in Chhattisgarh state
Valmiki caves and its Shivalinga at Boyavandlapalle villagenear Peapully of
Andhra Pradesh state. It hasmany rock formations like Nandi, elephants, and
Rudraksha
Aavani village near Mulbagal in Kolar district of Karnatakastate
Pulpally in Wayanad district of Kerala state
Thiruvanmiyur in Chennai in Tamil Nadu state
Valmiki’s siddhar Jeevan samadhi at the Ettukudi Murugantemple near
Nagapattinam in Tamil Nadu state
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Valmiki ashram in chao 1 to 6 kandas are many; apart from this so many valmiki
ashrams are all around the country which means they arose out of bhakti and not
duplicating or proving wrong Valmiki. Thus as per Uttara kanda chariot dropped
seetha at Valmiki ashram along the side of Ganga river which is found to be
today's Bithoor a distance today by road 150 miles only from Ayodhya. ,in the
eastern direction from ayodhya . There could even be a forest area to go across
cutting down many miles; also a chariot with 4 horses could make it even by
night; and in that uttara kanda Rama tells Lakshman to take her by night and
never was written drop by night itself. So Mr Gopala read well before writing
so derogatorily. If still you are not convinced then something is wrong with
you only.
K Rajaram IRS 5525
On Mon, 5 May 2025 at 20:02, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear friends,
I found a response by Mr Rajaram, having no head or tail, or containing any
sensible matter.Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 01:31:51 pm IST, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123
<[email protected]> wrote:
VALMIKI ASHRAM
Google searchresult shows Valmiki Ashram was in Kanpur at a distance of 235 KM
from Ayodhya. It is impossible to carry Sita by chariot that muchdistance in
the midnight.
Pulpalli isat a distance of 2176 KM from Ayodhya. It is totally impossible to
carry Sita by chariot that muchdistance in the midnight.
So thelegends about Valmiki Ashram at Pulpalli can be questioned. The legend
aboutValmiki Ashram at Kanpur also can be questioned.
Take legends as Legends.
Gopalakrishnan5-5-2025
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