Orally transmitted are the versions of our Vedas and other scriptures too ,so what? Even Greek and bible and Quron, buddisa, Jainisa are orally transmitted only. What is the inborn nature of Gopala?; illiteracy and then bouncing back?; KUPPURA KAVIZHNDAALUM, MEESAYIL MANN OTTALAI? oRIGINAL IS HISTORY; THE FOLLOW UP IS OUT OF bHAKTI; lEGEND IS A STORY UNAUTHENICATED; BUT BECAUSE THERE IS NO SAND IN THE MOUCHE, DOES NOT MEAN HE BECAME WISE? K Rajaram IRS 6525
On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 09:16, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, > > Leave aside abuse. It is inborn nature with Mr Rajaram. > > Whether it is Valmiki Ramayana or Uttara Ramayana , they came by oral > tradition. Let us first accept it. > > I found a satisfactory answer to my query about the legend where Lakshmana > left Sita in the forest. In the answer, he stayed after crossing Ganga in > a place and next day he traveled to Valmiki Ashram at that time in a > forest, now Bitur near Kanpur. > > After Yugas, many other places are told as having Valmiki Ashramams. All > are legends. On google search friends can read the many answers. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 09:30:25 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear all > I found a response by Mr Gopalakrishnan, having no head or tail, or > containing any sensible matter. > I thought he has a little brain to understand but being always > foolish ,he writes only as an aviveki; orelse he would have understood how > he shall write even if there are contradictions; not so authoritatively > without reading the text and system of life described in the epics. One who > cannot distinguish between a Legend and ITIOHASa and PURANA (having not > read anything but posing as if knew a lot and doing only just copy and > paste, may not know what he was writing. Before attending Ramayanam , let > me drive the nail into his head. Today at Dallas (many USA places) my > friend is living on the opposite side, 12 homes in a straight line away, > which if we walk across the homes gaps will take just 5 minutes to reach; > but it is illegal in USA; so had to take the road all around which a car > takes 10 minutes and by walk may be 45 minutes. Samje? Thus, a day travel > differs on so many factors between eras which he himself would know who > lives in an area which were barren once and now active and walking across , > could have been lost. 2 A horse arabic-like robust can travel at 25 miles > per hour (not today's horses home trained) and in a day can do 100 to 150 > miles so easily. Though uttara kanda is named as that of Valmiki as Lava > kusa sang the whole verses, still Valmiki said he is finishing the Ramayana > at the last chap of Yudha kanda, the 131st chap he is done with. A chariot > is made up of a minimum 4 horses and not english carriages. A chariot can > do the whole day and night with rest rarely. And can run >250 miles > white horse power. Even assuming uttara kanda is by valmiki, from that > kanda facts gatherers are as under which had he read a learned, would have > got it so easily. And his doubtful Thomas woke up only because of his > seetha temple at Wayanad. And without app[lication of the mind wrote > nonsense. Now facts: > > Back in Ayodhya, Rama decided to perform an Ashwamedha yagna. The > meandering horse reached Valmiki’s ashrama on the banks of River Ganga, > while he was attending Rama’s Ashwamedha ceremony. Kusha and Lava defeated > many stalwarts like Bharata’s son Pushkala, Seeta’s brother Lakshmi Nidhi, > Shatrughna, Hanuman, and Sugriva. The humbled warriors returned to the site > of the yagna with the horse. When Rama heard about the astonishing events > at Valmiki’s ashrama, he went to meet the sage. Valmiki disclosed that the > talented twins are his sons, and wanted Rama to accept Seeta and his 2 sons. > > Rama requested Lakshmana to get Seeta and his 2 sons. Even though > Lakshmana stated that Rama now longs for her company, Seeta refused to join > him but sent her reluctant sons. Rama was heartbroken to hear about Seeta’s > decision but resent Lakshmana. Meanwhile, Valmiki told Kusha and Lava to > sing all the shlokam they have memorized from the 6 books of his > composition of Ramayana. On hearing it, Rama, like many others, shed tears > of joy. Rama embraced them firmly to his body. Meanwhile, Seeta agreed to > meet Rama. At the yagna location, in the presence of other illustrious > sages, Valmiki declared that from the powers of his tapasya (austerities) > of thousands of years, he can say with confidence that Seeta is pati-vrata > (chaste). Rama admitted he knows that but the public scandal forced him to > take that decision. Seeta prayed to Bhoomidevi (Goddess Earth) to receive > her if she is pure. An extravagant throne emerged from the ground and Seeta > willingly descended into Mother Earth’s lap. This is believed to be at the > present-day Seeta samahit-sthal between Varanasi and Prayagraj in Uttar > Pradesh state. There was a continued shower of flowers from the sky. > > Rishi Valmiki’s other ashrama-s were in present-day: > > Lahore > > Ram Tirith near Amritsar in Punjab state > > Dhamtan (Dharmasthan) near Narwana in Haryana state > > Seetamata Wildlife Sanctuary in Rajasthan state > > Near Koteshwar Mahadev temple in Ambaji in Gujarat state > > Chitrakoota in Madhya Pradesh state > > Bithoor on the banks of River Ganga in Uttar Pradesh state. The Ashram of > Valmiki was in Brahmvarta, which is located in Bithoor. It is believed > that Sita spent time at the Valmiki Ashram after being exiled by Lord Ram. > Bithoor is believed to be the birthplace of the sons of Lord Rama, Luv and > Kush. > > Baleni village on the banks of River Hindon near Meerut city in Uttar > Pradesh state > > Valmiki Nagar on the Bihar state border with Nepal > > Deosal Shiva temple in Morigaon district of Assam state > > Tapoban Valmiki Ashram in Nayagram in Jhargram district of West Bengal > state. There is a Rameshwar Shiva temple nearby > > Tapovan Hill near Vaidyanath jyotirlinga temple in Deoghar in Jharkhand > state > > Valmiki ashram in Koraput district of Odisha state where Valmiki language > is spoken even today > > Turturiya in Chhattisgarh state > > Valmiki caves and its Shivalinga at Boyavandlapalle village near Peapully of > Andhra Pradesh state. It has many rock formations like Nandi, elephants, > and Rudraksha > > Aavani village near Mulbagal in Kolar district of Karnataka state > > Pulpally in Wayanad district of Kerala state > > Thiruvanmiyur in Chennai in Tamil Nadu state > > Valmiki’s siddhar Jeevan samadhi at the Ettukudi Murugan temple near > Nagapattinam in Tamil Nadu state > > Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Valmiki ashram in chao 1 to 6 kandas are many; apart from this so many > valmiki ashrams are all around the country which means they arose out of > bhakti and not duplicating or proving wrong Valmiki. Thus as per Uttara > kanda chariot dropped seetha at Valmiki ashram along the side of Ganga > river which is found to be today's Bithoor a distance today by road 150 > miles only from Ayodhya. ,in the eastern direction from ayodhya . There > could even be a forest area to go across cutting down many miles; also a > chariot with 4 horses could make it even by night; and in that uttara kanda > Rama tells Lakshman to take her by night and never was written drop by > night itself. So Mr Gopala read well before writing so derogatorily. If > still you are not convinced then something is wrong with you only. > > K Rajaram IRS 5525 > > On Mon, 5 May 2025 at 20:02, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I found a response by Mr Rajaram, having no head or tail, or containing > any sensible matter. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 01:31:51 pm IST, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > VALMIKI ASHRAM > > Google search result shows Valmiki Ashram was in Kanpur at a distance of > 235 KM from Ayodhya. *It is impossible to carry Sita by chariot that much > distance in the midnight. * > > Pulpalli is at a distance of 2176 KM from Ayodhya. *It is totally > impossible to carry Sita by chariot that much distance in the midnight. * > > So the legends about Valmiki Ashram at Pulpalli can be questioned. 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