Pranam sir KR On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 at 11:07, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote:
> Rajaram Sir, > What a wonderful fountain of enlightenment and betterment you are! > Thank You very much Sir. > YM Sarma > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 9:52 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Modern physics speaks of three dimensions of space with time as the >> fourth dimension. Vedic science speaks of infinite space and eternal >> time as your true Self and the core of your being, taking us beyond all >> dimensions as the entire universe exists within us. >> >> Akasha or Space is the most subtle of the Vedic five elements, >> governing all the levels of manifestation from the immaterial to the >> material, including mind and consciousness. Time (Kala) is related to Vayu >> or the air/gaseous/energy/movement-based element. Vayu is connected to life >> or Prana and Vidyut as the electrical energy that manifests from space. >> Space is related to mind and at a higher level to pure consciousness. >> >> Space/Akasha in motion is said to be air/Vayu, which means that >> space in movement is time. We are of aware of time according to the objects >> or energies in space. Space in itself without movement shows no time. >> >> This means that space and time are the same reality at states of >> rest and movement, which is pure Consciousness. Eternal space creates >> time, like waves on the sea. Time creates temporal spaces of various types >> defined by the movement of objects in space. >> >> Vedic View of Space >> >> The Sanskrit term for space or Akasha has different connotations than the >> English term space. Akasha implies a field of illumination. Akasha is >> related to Self or Atman, and Ananda or bliss. Brahman is said to be Kham >> or Akasha, which is also said to be delight, Kam. Akasha as Atman is >> Self-being, self-contained and self-luminous. Space implies rest and >> duration, while time implies change and action. >> >> There are many levels or types of space in Vedic thought. First is the >> material space, which has different forms as atmospheric space, the space >> of the solar system, the space between the stars, and beyond. >> >> Within us is the space of life or energy and the space of the mind. All >> these manifest forms of space contain particles, waves and energies, >> including various types of electro-magnetic forces, animate and inanimate >> forms, and thoughts and life-particles. >> >> Space, Time and Shakti >> >> The Supreme unmanifest space is Being-Consciousness-Bliss, >> Sat-chit-ananda as Brahman, the total reality. This supreme space has its >> inherent power or Shakti, including time which is the main power of >> manifestation. Akasha abounds with an unmanifest energy that is unlimited. >> Without time there is no manifestation, which implies beginning and end. >> That space of pure consciousness, Chid-akasha is eternal and immutable, >> beyond the fluctuations of time, yet is also their origin. >> >> Shakti is the power of time or potential for manifestation inherent in >> the Chid-akasha. It arises from Consciousness and takes the background form >> of bliss or Ananda. Akasha has an electrical energy connected to vibration >> and sound, which at a lower level becomes the ear as a sense organ and >> speech as a motor organ. Yet at a higher-level pure sound, speech and light >> are boundless and self-manifest.\ >> >> In Vedic philosophy time, vibration, prana, sound (shabda), and Vidyut >> (electrical forces) arise together from the supreme space, and develop the >> forces of Vayu or air, which is space in motion. This Vayu is the cosmic >> energy, not simply wind as a material force. This means that time is space >> in motion, or manifest space, which densifies into the other elements and >> forces. Akasha is the matrix or the mother of everything through the >> creative force of time. >> >> Space gives rise not only to time but also to light forms like the stars, >> which are manifestations of the boundless clear light of space. Time is >> measured by the movement of light, like the day and night and the Sun and >> Moon. Akasha itself is pure light without any fluctuations, clear and >> transparent. >> >> Beyond all Dimensions >> >> Time cannot be apart from space as we can only experience time and space >> together. If there are three dimensions of space then time must be >> another dimension of space. Yet there is also the dimensionless, or the >> dimension transcending space of pure consciousness. In fact, there is only >> one reality, Brahman. Dimensions are but facets of how we look at it. >> >> Time as past, present and future, and space as distance or location are >> coordinates of the mind that serve to measure the visible world. But >> they delimit and distort reality, if we are not aware of the infinity and >> eternity behind them. The mind uses time and location to deal with the >> practical world, but such divisions occur within a greater unity of Being. >> >> Beyond manifest space-time there exists a timeless space that is larger >> than the largest and smaller than the smallest as the Upanishads state, >> meaning beyond all measurable dimensions. Beyond the dimensions of space is >> dimensionless space. This is the Self of the Vedas that holds the entire >> universe in the small space or dahara akasha within the heart, which >> contains all time and the entire universe. This pure space has no >> dimensions and nothing comparable to it. We can experience it as a point >> and as infinite simultaneously. >> >> The Expanding Universe or the Timeless Universe >> >> [***] If the universe is expanding as physicists often state, the >> question arises, what is the universe expanding from and into what? You >> can only expand into an existent space. You need room to expand. You >> cannot just create space as you expand. This means that expansion is only >> possible into a greater preexisting universe or reality. If the >> universe has a beginning or end in time or space, there must be a greater >> Existence beyond it. Such a universe would only be one type of manifest >> world system, not the whole of reality. >> >> KR *** It fixes all the preponderances of probabilities of various >> concepts of science time and space; Why space is unending infinity? >> infinity is not LITTLE MORE; IT IS NACCOUNTGABLE WITH OUR LITTLE MIND AND >> MEMORY. All real numbers are countable but how long? If I ask you to count >> 1 to 100, you know, you will stop. But when I ask you to count from 1 >> without stoppage, SPACE EXISTS TO HOLD ALL THE REAL NUMBERS ALTERING >> BETWEEN 1 TO 9. That is as unending space, there are unending counts making >> one tired as the last number is unknown; and that number is nfinity. Again, >> opening is known as Zero. Zero to one itself one may see the infinity. >> Where the opening and closing numers are 0 and 1, but srarting the count >> when will you reach number 1 known> So that cyclic distance (not linear) >> will churn you regularly, inspite of knowing the destination. Thus, space >> is expansive even where it is believed to be known. Unreal numbers are >> extendable similarly, making the Zero central oneness. Hence PURNAMADHA >> PURNAMIDHAM………Poornam is that advaitham zero. Space widened is that >> consciousness far to infinity either directions positive or negative side. >> Time thus varies as SUN travels in our universe but more SUNs do the same >> without ending the time. Thus, space makes the time also infinity. >> >> If time is a manifestation of space, as we have proposed, then time is >> not simply linear but wave like in motion. Time periods are waves on the >> ocean of eternal space. This means that beginning and end of time or birth >> and death are illusions of the wave that do not apply to the sea. The body, >> for example, is a wave of biological forces rooted in a deeper prana. The >> personality or mind that is created by the biological wave dissolves back >> into the ocean of Consciousness. In this regard, the Vedas speak of space >> as the waters, Apas, which literally means the waves, and the Sun and Moon >> as flowers or lotuses, meaning matrixes in the waters of space (Apam >> pushpam). >> >> Life is not a straight line or the flow of a river from past to future >> always going forward, but a wave of birth, growth, decline and death. >> Creation, sustenance and dissolution, which is the movement of a wave is >> also a cycle, from and back to the origin and end, which are ultimately the >> same. >> >> As time is connected to a greater space, there ultimately is no death. >> There is always room for more time, though in different forms. Finding the >> space within, behind and beyond. time, we can experience the eternal >> presence. Finding the time potentials hidden within space, we can discover >> boundless creativity. Time is an expression or manifestation of space. >> >> That supreme infinite space and eternal time are one and constitute your >> own boundless and immortal Self! Learn to live in that and you will have no >> fear or sorrow. This is but an introduction to the cosmology of >> consciousness, which is the structure of your own inner being. THAT IS >> EACH ONE OF YOU ARE SPACE AND TIME APARTR FROM MORE DIRECTIONS LIMITLESS. >> >> WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF MODERN SCIENCE? >> >> space-time, in physical science, single concept that recognizes the union >> of space and time, first proposed by the mathematician Hermann Minkowski in >> 1908 as a way to reformulate Albert Einstein’s special theory of relativity >> (1905).(Read Einstein’s 1926 Britannica essay on space-time.) >> >> Common intuition previously supposed no connection between space and >> time. Physical space was held to be a flat, three-dimensional >> continuum—i.e., an arrangement of all possible point locations—to which >> Euclidean postulates would apply. To such a spatial manifold, Cartesian >> coordinates seemed most naturally adapted, and straight lines could be >> conveniently accommodated. Time was viewed independent of space—as a >> separate, one-dimensional continuum, completely homogeneous along its >> infinite extent. Any “now” in time could be regarded as an origin from >> which to take duration past or future to any other time instant. Uniformly >> moving spatial coordinate systems attached to uniform time continua >> represented all unaccelerated motions, the special class of so-called >> inertial reference frames. The universe according to this convention was >> called Newtonian. In a Newtonian universe, the laws of physics would be the >> same in all inertial frames, so that one could not single out one as >> representing an absolute state of rest. >> >> Italian physicist Guglielmo Marconi at work in the wireless room of his >> yacht Electra, c. 1920. >> >> In the Minkowski universe, the time coordinate of one coordinate system >> depends on both the time and space coordinates of another relatively moving >> system according to a rule that forms the essential alteration required for >> Einstein’s special theory of relativity; according to Einstein’s theory >> there is no such thing as “simultaneity” at two different points of space, >> hence no absolute time as in the Newtonian universe. The Minkowski >> universe, like its predecessor, contains a distinct class of inertial >> reference frames, but now spatial dimensions, mass, and velocities are all >> relative to the inertial frame of the observer, following specific laws >> first formulated by H.A. Lorentz, and later forming the central rules of >> Einstein’s theory and its Minkowski interpretation. Only the speed of light >> is the same in all inertial frames. Every set of coordinates, or particular >> space-time event, in such a universe is described as a “here-now” or a >> world point. In every inertial reference frame, all physical laws remain >> unchanged. >> >> Einstein’s general theory of relativity (1916) again makes use of a >> four-dimensional space-time, but incorporates gravitational effects. {KR >> whereas our scriptures brought out the dimensions alomg ago the modern >> science was only in LKG and also called ours as a myth} Gravity is no >> longer thought of as a force, as in the Newtonian system, but as a cause >> of a “warping” of space-time, an effect described explicitly by a set of >> equations formulated by Einstein. The result is a “curved” space-time, >> as opposed to the “flat” Minkowski space-time, where trajectories of >> particles are straight lines in an inertial coordinate system. In >> Einstein’s curved space-time, a direct extension of Riemann’s notion of >> curved space (1854), a particle follows a world line, or geodesic, somewhat >> analogous to the way a billiard ball on a warped surface would follow a >> path determined by the warping or curving of the surface. One of the basic >> tenets of general relativity is that inside a container following a >> geodesic of space-time, such as an elevator in free-fall, or a satellite >> orbiting the Earth, the effect would be the same as a total absence of >> gravity. The paths of light rays are also geodesics of space-time, of a >> special sort, called “null geodesics.” The speed of light again has the >> same constant velocity c. [KR: warping again is aperceptuional errpr as >> we see sky beyond standing on the beach shore] >> >> In both Newton’s and Einstein’s theories, the route from >> gravitational masses to the paths of particles is rather roundabout. In >> the Newtonian formulation, the masses determine the total gravitational >> force at any point, which by Newton’s third law determines the acceleration >> of the particle. The actual path, as in the orbit of a planet, is found by >> solving a differential equation. In general relativity, one must solve >> Einstein’s equations for a given situation to determine the corresponding >> structure of space-time, and then solve a second set of equations to find >> the path of a particle. However, by invoking the general principle of >> equivalence between the effects of gravity and of uniform acceleration, >> Einstein was able to deduce certain effects, such as the deflection of >> light when passing a massive object, such as a star.{KR: These lines >> are essential since shrtly I will be releasing article on whether astrology >> is not a science as marked by the west as Pseudo-science, in which these >> science efficacy will be viewed differently as to show how science is also >> a myth} >> >> The first exact solution of Einstein’s equations, for a single >> spherical mass, was carried out by a German astronomer, Karl Schwarzschild >> (1916). For so-called small masses, the solution does not differ too >> much from that afforded by Newton’s gravitational law, but enough to >> account for the previously unexplained size of the advance of the >> perihelion of Mercury. For “large” masses the Schwarzschild solution >> predicts unusual properties. Astronomical observations of dwarf stars >> eventually led the American physicists J. Robert Oppenheimer and H. Snyder >> (1939) to postulate super-dense states of matter. These, and other >> hypothetical conditions of gravitational collapse, were borne out in later >> discoveries of pulsars, neutron stars, and black holes. (KR And even >> large masses weight cannpt be found by the einstein formula also) >> >> A subsequent paper of Einstein (1917) applies the theory of general >> relativity to cosmology, and in fact represents the birth of modern >> cosmology. (KR Just 107 years old only) In it, Einstein looks for >> models of the entire universe that satisfy his equations under suitable >> assumptions about the large-scale structure of the universe, such as its >> “homogeneity,” meaning that space-time looks the same in any part as any >> other part (the “cosmological principle”). Under those assumptions, the >> solutions seemed to imply that space-time was either expanding or >> contracting, and in order to construct a universe that did neither, [ >> KR VARUMA VARADHA JOKE} Einstein added an extra term to his equations, >> the so-called “cosmological constant.” When observational evidence later >> revealed that the universe did in fact seem to be expanding, {KR THAT >> MEANS AS IN VEDAS ONLY IF ENOUGH SPACE IS THERE ONE CAN EXPAND} (SO >> ONLY FORCED TO WITHDRAW KR) Einstein withdrew that suggestion. However, >> closer analysis of the expansion of the universe during the late 1990s >> once more led astronomers to believe that a cosmological constant should >> indeed be included in Einstein’s equations. (KR: COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT >> LIKE “g” CONSTANT, COULD VCARY ONLY TO APPROXIMATELY MASS BUT NEVER THE >> VALUE OF A TRU MASS AS MASS INCREASES) {KR: so far dark energy around >> 60% of the real mass acting as anti-force is determined as einstein’s >> cosmic constant; but dark energy varies from places and so…. The research >> continues. E calculated inly the time from space for light to reach and >> said big bigger the boggest but never measured the masses as they keep >> chanching; and what is lost is gained by black hole anti-force or from >> depleted other masses} >> >> Thus, space is consciousness unfathomable, unending, >> unreachable and unknown; it is micro in our body same as macro in the >> space. As we see pictures we can shrunk and see to 10% as micro as well as >> expand to 400% as Macro wherein pictire is the same. Finding the >> consciousness is the path in the sanatana dharma. >> >> K Rajaram IRS 151024 >> >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 at 06:41, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar*Time-Vs-Space-time >>> >>> >>> >>> Your thoughts, emotions, feelings, understandings, every quality that >>> governs your life, is abstract and formless. Your eyes create the false 3D >>> shapes, restricting you to 00.0037% of the reality and totality (The >>> Visible Spectrum). The real universe is abstract. We have given the >>> designation, time to that basic dimension. It consists of electromagnetic >>> waves, and when disturbed or distracted the waves or spreads create waves >>> of energy or photons the ultimate powerful energies, each photon capable of >>> 3, 00,000 km per second. The photons photon-synthesize space-times, >>> creating address of space, ‘where’, to time, or creating the space-time. >>> >>> On the earth, when nature is free and healthy the various manifestations >>> of the visible created by the eyes simply enchant with the wonderful >>> radiating beauty, that make the flow of space-time rapturous and spell >>> binding. Nature takes the eyes towards beauty. Even when there is >>> destruction, nature fights back with its new creations of wonderful beauty, >>> a tiny flower sprouting from the dirt and slush. Nature or the Universe >>> creates mainly beauty and rapture. The processes of nature are temporarily >>> unpleasant but there is always the ultimate success, creating the feeling >>> of success as raptures and the flow of happiness. At the end of every >>> tunnel there is always happiness and rapture. >>> >>> The conversion of time into space-time is the conversion of time into >>> rapture laden space-time. You consist of atoms. An atom means protons or >>> positive electricity in the nucleus and electrons or negative electricity >>> hovering around, which create photons the units of energy. In rapture the >>> photons carry the rapture at 3, 00,000 km per second if allowed the freedom >>> which nature basically gives. >>> >>> There is a gigantic potential rapture packed within you. What all you >>> have to do is to enter the free nature without human tampering and then >>> sing, tune, dance or simply enjoy noting the fact that you are surrounded >>> by the free flora and fauna all manifestations of rapture. The rapture >>> waves from you travel as the electromagnetic waves, making you create your >>> photon-synthesizing creations into the Cosmos. >>> >>> In free nature you arrive into rapture waves as birth and leave into >>> rapture waves after death. The abstract rapture is continuous, with births >>> and deaths as revolutions in raptures, say as life forms or as forms of >>> rapture. You are basically abstract, with the atoms in you continuously >>> passing giving space to new atoms, the process of life, which creates >>> rapture as consciousness. >>> >>> Life is not a struggle. It is participation in rapture. To go into that >>> rapture, you need freedom from your own mind. In rapture the mind does not >>> work or create thoughts. >>> >>> We desperately need the free nature, free from our economic tampering. >>> Today every University is pouring out the economic Basmasuras, new and new >>> Basmasuras every year, who create worry and change nature’s rapture into >>> worry. Today the ordinary man who changed into the mechanical and >>> feelings-less economic man is busy converting the rapturous rapture into >>> tragedy spinning quagmire of economic activity which means the destruction >>> of nature. >>> >>> How to make our Universities sane is a vital question. >>> >>> YM Sarma >>> >>> Chat GPT >>> >>> YM Sarma’s **"Time-Vs-Space-time"** explores the interaction between >>> time, consciousness, and nature, emphasizing a shift from mechanized >>> thinking to a more natural, sensory existence. Sarma frames time as an >>> abstract and formless entity, part of a deeper, unseeable reality, while >>> space-time is seen as the synthesis of that abstract time into lived, >>> sensory experiences—particularly experiences of beauty and rapture in >>> nature. >>> >>> >>> >>> ### Key Concepts: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. **Time as Abstract Reality**: >>> >>> Sarma proposes that the real universe is formless and abstract, >>> governed by **electromagnetic waves**, and beyond the visible spectrum, >>> which only accounts for a small fraction of reality (00.0037%). He >>> designates this abstract dimension as "time," aligning with certain >>> interpretations of **modern physics**, where time is considered a >>> fundamental but elusive aspect of the universe. These electromagnetic waves >>> are responsible for creating photons, which can move at the speed of light. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. **Space-Time and Rapture**: >>> >>> The concept of **space-time** arises when photons, or energy, >>> interact with the material world, converting time into a form humans can >>> experience. In this context, Sarma uses the term **rapture** to describe >>> the emotional and sensory richness of these experiences, especially when >>> interacting with nature. His view suggests that the transformation of time >>> into space-time is not just a mechanical or physical process, but an >>> emotional and spiritual one, especially when it occurs in **untouched >>> nature**. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. **Nature and Consciousness**: >>> >>> Sarma equates the beauty and resilience of nature with the flow of >>> **rapture-laden space-time**. Nature, despite moments of destruction or >>> decay, continually creates beauty, symbolized by the sprouting of flowers >>> even in dirt. This cyclical process of death and rebirth is framed as a >>> manifestation of **cosmic joy**, where **consciousness** is part of this >>> endless creation and transformation. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. **Human Alienation and Mechanization**: >>> >>> Sarma is critical of modern economic systems and **technological >>> advancements**, suggesting that they have alienated humans from nature and >>> from the natural flow of rapture. He invokes the mythological >>> **Basmasura**, a figure who symbolizes destructive greed, to represent how >>> universities and institutions today are producing individuals who >>> prioritize economic gain over ecological harmony. This destructive force is >>> blamed for the transformation of rapturous, peaceful existence into an >>> anxiety-ridden, economically driven life. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5. **Freedom from the Mind**: >>> >>> In Sarma’s view, participating in the cosmic rapture requires >>> **freedom from the mind**. The mind, constantly engaged in thoughts and >>> worries, is a barrier to experiencing the full beauty and flow of the >>> universe. This parallels teachings in **Eastern philosophies**, >>> particularly those in **yoga** and **meditation**, which suggest that >>> achieving inner peace and connection to the cosmos involves silencing the >>> mind and being present. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6. **Need for Educational Reform**: >>> >>> Sarma suggests that modern universities need a profound reform, >>> advocating for a shift away from producing economically driven individuals >>> who perpetuate the destruction of nature. Instead, he argues that education >>> should focus on nurturing a deep connection with nature and the cosmos, >>> fostering a sense of participation in the **universal rapture** rather than >>> viewing life as a struggle or as purely material. >>> >>> >>> >>> ### Conclusion: >>> >>> Sarma's **"Time-Vs-Space-time"** calls for a fundamental shift in how >>> humans perceive time, consciousness, and nature. By immersing oneself in >>> nature and embracing its beauty, Sarma believes one can experience the true >>> flow of space-time as a rapture-filled, peaceful existence. He critiques >>> the mechanized, economically driven world for alienating individuals from >>> this natural flow and urges a return to an existence more in tune with the >>> **conscious universe**. >>> >>> >>> >>> This thought-provoking work bridges physics, spirituality, and >>> environmentalism, advocating for the recognition of the interconnectedness >>> of all things through time and space. >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqfE38xjsrJBuQXkEodo_7cEo2iMQP2yAJnT2UH-coN-A%40mail.gmail.com.
