Rajaram Sir, What a wonderful fountain of enlightenment and betterment you are! Thank You very much Sir. YM Sarma
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 9:52 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > Modern physics speaks of three dimensions of space with time as the fourth > dimension. Vedic science speaks of infinite space and eternal time as > your true Self and the core of your being, taking us beyond all dimensions > as the entire universe exists within us. > > Akasha or Space is the most subtle of the Vedic five elements, governing > all the levels of manifestation from the immaterial to the material, > including mind and consciousness. Time (Kala) is related to Vayu or the > air/gaseous/energy/movement-based element. Vayu is connected to life or > Prana and Vidyut as the electrical energy that manifests from space. Space > is related to mind and at a higher level to pure consciousness. > > Space/Akasha in motion is said to be air/Vayu, which means that space > in movement is time. We are of aware of time according to the objects or > energies in space. Space in itself without movement shows no time. > > This means that space and time are the same reality at states of rest > and movement, which is pure Consciousness. Eternal space creates time, > like waves on the sea. Time creates temporal spaces of various types > defined by the movement of objects in space. > > Vedic View of Space > > The Sanskrit term for space or Akasha has different connotations than the > English term space. Akasha implies a field of illumination. Akasha is > related to Self or Atman, and Ananda or bliss. Brahman is said to be Kham > or Akasha, which is also said to be delight, Kam. Akasha as Atman is > Self-being, self-contained and self-luminous. Space implies rest and > duration, while time implies change and action. > > There are many levels or types of space in Vedic thought. First is the > material space, which has different forms as atmospheric space, the space > of the solar system, the space between the stars, and beyond. > > Within us is the space of life or energy and the space of the mind. All > these manifest forms of space contain particles, waves and energies, > including various types of electro-magnetic forces, animate and inanimate > forms, and thoughts and life-particles. > > Space, Time and Shakti > > The Supreme unmanifest space is Being-Consciousness-Bliss, Sat-chit-ananda > as Brahman, the total reality. This supreme space has its inherent power or > Shakti, including time which is the main power of manifestation. Akasha > abounds with an unmanifest energy that is unlimited. Without time there is > no manifestation, which implies beginning and end. That space of pure > consciousness, Chid-akasha is eternal and immutable, beyond the > fluctuations of time, yet is also their origin. > > Shakti is the power of time or potential for manifestation inherent in the > Chid-akasha. It arises from Consciousness and takes the background form of > bliss or Ananda. Akasha has an electrical energy connected to vibration and > sound, which at a lower level becomes the ear as a sense organ and speech > as a motor organ. Yet at a higher-level pure sound, speech and light are > boundless and self-manifest.\ > > In Vedic philosophy time, vibration, prana, sound (shabda), and Vidyut > (electrical forces) arise together from the supreme space, and develop the > forces of Vayu or air, which is space in motion. This Vayu is the cosmic > energy, not simply wind as a material force. This means that time is space > in motion, or manifest space, which densifies into the other elements and > forces. Akasha is the matrix or the mother of everything through the > creative force of time. > > Space gives rise not only to time but also to light forms like the stars, > which are manifestations of the boundless clear light of space. Time is > measured by the movement of light, like the day and night and the Sun and > Moon. Akasha itself is pure light without any fluctuations, clear and > transparent. > > Beyond all Dimensions > > Time cannot be apart from space as we can only experience time and space > together. If there are three dimensions of space then time must be > another dimension of space. Yet there is also the dimensionless, or the > dimension transcending space of pure consciousness. In fact, there is only > one reality, Brahman. Dimensions are but facets of how we look at it. > > Time as past, present and future, and space as distance or location are > coordinates of the mind that serve to measure the visible world. But they > delimit and distort reality, if we are not aware of the infinity and > eternity behind them. The mind uses time and location to deal with the > practical world, but such divisions occur within a greater unity of Being. > > Beyond manifest space-time there exists a timeless space that is larger > than the largest and smaller than the smallest as the Upanishads state, > meaning beyond all measurable dimensions. Beyond the dimensions of space is > dimensionless space. This is the Self of the Vedas that holds the entire > universe in the small space or dahara akasha within the heart, which > contains all time and the entire universe. This pure space has no > dimensions and nothing comparable to it. We can experience it as a point > and as infinite simultaneously. > > The Expanding Universe or the Timeless Universe > > [***] If the universe is expanding as physicists often state, the question > arises, what is the universe expanding from and into what? You can only > expand into an existent space. You need room to expand. You cannot just > create space as you expand. This means that expansion is only possible > into a greater preexisting universe or reality. If the universe has a > beginning or end in time or space, there must be a greater Existence beyond > it. Such a universe would only be one type of manifest world system, not > the whole of reality. > > KR *** It fixes all the preponderances of probabilities of various > concepts of science time and space; Why space is unending infinity? > infinity is not LITTLE MORE; IT IS NACCOUNTGABLE WITH OUR LITTLE MIND AND > MEMORY. All real numbers are countable but how long? If I ask you to count > 1 to 100, you know, you will stop. But when I ask you to count from 1 > without stoppage, SPACE EXISTS TO HOLD ALL THE REAL NUMBERS ALTERING > BETWEEN 1 TO 9. That is as unending space, there are unending counts making > one tired as the last number is unknown; and that number is nfinity. Again, > opening is known as Zero. Zero to one itself one may see the infinity. > Where the opening and closing numers are 0 and 1, but srarting the count > when will you reach number 1 known> So that cyclic distance (not linear) > will churn you regularly, inspite of knowing the destination. Thus, space > is expansive even where it is believed to be known. Unreal numbers are > extendable similarly, making the Zero central oneness. Hence PURNAMADHA > PURNAMIDHAM………Poornam is that advaitham zero. Space widened is that > consciousness far to infinity either directions positive or negative side. > Time thus varies as SUN travels in our universe but more SUNs do the same > without ending the time. Thus, space makes the time also infinity. > > If time is a manifestation of space, as we have proposed, then time is not > simply linear but wave like in motion. Time periods are waves on the ocean > of eternal space. This means that beginning and end of time or birth and > death are illusions of the wave that do not apply to the sea. The body, for > example, is a wave of biological forces rooted in a deeper prana. The > personality or mind that is created by the biological wave dissolves back > into the ocean of Consciousness. In this regard, the Vedas speak of space > as the waters, Apas, which literally means the waves, and the Sun and Moon > as flowers or lotuses, meaning matrixes in the waters of space (Apam > pushpam). > > Life is not a straight line or the flow of a river from past to future > always going forward, but a wave of birth, growth, decline and death. > Creation, sustenance and dissolution, which is the movement of a wave is > also a cycle, from and back to the origin and end, which are ultimately the > same. > > As time is connected to a greater space, there ultimately is no death. > There is always room for more time, though in different forms. Finding the > space within, behind and beyond. time, we can experience the eternal > presence. Finding the time potentials hidden within space, we can discover > boundless creativity. Time is an expression or manifestation of space. > > That supreme infinite space and eternal time are one and constitute your > own boundless and immortal Self! Learn to live in that and you will have no > fear or sorrow. This is but an introduction to the cosmology of > consciousness, which is the structure of your own inner being. THAT IS > EACH ONE OF YOU ARE SPACE AND TIME APARTR FROM MORE DIRECTIONS LIMITLESS. > > WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF MODERN SCIENCE? > > space-time, in physical science, single concept that recognizes the union > of space and time, first proposed by the mathematician Hermann Minkowski in > 1908 as a way to reformulate Albert Einstein’s special theory of relativity > (1905).(Read Einstein’s 1926 Britannica essay on space-time.) > > Common intuition previously supposed no connection between space and time. > Physical space was held to be a flat, three-dimensional continuum—i.e., an > arrangement of all possible point locations—to which Euclidean postulates > would apply. To such a spatial manifold, Cartesian coordinates seemed > most naturally adapted, and straight lines could be conveniently > accommodated. Time was viewed independent of space—as a separate, > one-dimensional continuum, completely homogeneous along its infinite > extent. Any “now” in time could be regarded as an origin from which to take > duration past or future to any other time instant. Uniformly moving spatial > coordinate systems attached to uniform time continua represented all > unaccelerated motions, the special class of so-called inertial reference > frames. The universe according to this convention was called Newtonian. In > a Newtonian universe, the laws of physics would be the same in all inertial > frames, so that one could not single out one as representing an absolute > state of rest. > > Italian physicist Guglielmo Marconi at work in the wireless room of his > yacht Electra, c. 1920. > > In the Minkowski universe, the time coordinate of one coordinate system > depends on both the time and space coordinates of another relatively moving > system according to a rule that forms the essential alteration required for > Einstein’s special theory of relativity; according to Einstein’s theory > there is no such thing as “simultaneity” at two different points of space, > hence no absolute time as in the Newtonian universe. The Minkowski > universe, like its predecessor, contains a distinct class of inertial > reference frames, but now spatial dimensions, mass, and velocities are all > relative to the inertial frame of the observer, following specific laws > first formulated by H.A. Lorentz, and later forming the central rules of > Einstein’s theory and its Minkowski interpretation. Only the speed of light > is the same in all inertial frames. Every set of coordinates, or particular > space-time event, in such a universe is described as a “here-now” or a > world point. In every inertial reference frame, all physical laws remain > unchanged. > > Einstein’s general theory of relativity (1916) again makes use of a > four-dimensional space-time, but incorporates gravitational effects. {KR > whereas our scriptures brought out the dimensions alomg ago the modern > science was only in LKG and also called ours as a myth} Gravity is no > longer thought of as a force, as in the Newtonian system, but as a cause > of a “warping” of space-time, an effect described explicitly by a set of > equations formulated by Einstein. The result is a “curved” space-time, as > opposed to the “flat” Minkowski space-time, where trajectories of particles > are straight lines in an inertial coordinate system. In Einstein’s curved > space-time, a direct extension of Riemann’s notion of curved space (1854), > a particle follows a world line, or geodesic, somewhat analogous to the way > a billiard ball on a warped surface would follow a path determined by the > warping or curving of the surface. One of the basic tenets of general > relativity is that inside a container following a geodesic of space-time, > such as an elevator in free-fall, or a satellite orbiting the Earth, the > effect would be the same as a total absence of gravity. The paths of light > rays are also geodesics of space-time, of a special sort, called “null > geodesics.” The speed of light again has the same constant velocity c. [KR: > warping again is aperceptuional errpr as we see sky beyond standing on the > beach shore] > > In both Newton’s and Einstein’s theories, the route from > gravitational masses to the paths of particles is rather roundabout. In > the Newtonian formulation, the masses determine the total gravitational > force at any point, which by Newton’s third law determines the acceleration > of the particle. The actual path, as in the orbit of a planet, is found by > solving a differential equation. In general relativity, one must solve > Einstein’s equations for a given situation to determine the corresponding > structure of space-time, and then solve a second set of equations to find > the path of a particle. However, by invoking the general principle of > equivalence between the effects of gravity and of uniform acceleration, > Einstein was able to deduce certain effects, such as the deflection of > light when passing a massive object, such as a star.{KR: These lines > are essential since shrtly I will be releasing article on whether astrology > is not a science as marked by the west as Pseudo-science, in which these > science efficacy will be viewed differently as to show how science is also > a myth} > > The first exact solution of Einstein’s equations, for a single > spherical mass, was carried out by a German astronomer, Karl Schwarzschild > (1916). For so-called small masses, the solution does not differ too much > from that afforded by Newton’s gravitational law, but enough to account > for the previously unexplained size of the advance of the perihelion of > Mercury. For “large” masses the Schwarzschild solution predicts unusual > properties. Astronomical observations of dwarf stars eventually led the > American physicists J. Robert Oppenheimer and H. Snyder (1939) to postulate > super-dense states of matter. These, and other hypothetical conditions of > gravitational collapse, were borne out in later discoveries of pulsars, > neutron stars, and black holes. (KR And even large masses weight cannpt > be found by the einstein formula also) > > A subsequent paper of Einstein (1917) applies the theory of general > relativity to cosmology, and in fact represents the birth of modern > cosmology. (KR Just 107 years old only) In it, Einstein looks for models > of the entire universe that satisfy his equations under suitable > assumptions about the large-scale structure of the universe, such as its > “homogeneity,” meaning that space-time looks the same in any part as any > other part (the “cosmological principle”). Under those assumptions, the > solutions seemed to imply that space-time was either expanding or > contracting, and in order to construct a universe that did neither, [ KR > VARUMA VARADHA JOKE} Einstein added an extra term to his equations, the > so-called “cosmological constant.” When observational evidence later > revealed that the universe did in fact seem to be expanding, {KR THAT > MEANS AS IN VEDAS ONLY IF ENOUGH SPACE IS THERE ONE CAN EXPAND} (SO ONLY > FORCED TO WITHDRAW KR) Einstein withdrew that suggestion. However, closer > analysis of the expansion of the universe during the late 1990s once more > led astronomers to believe that a cosmological constant should indeed be > included in Einstein’s equations. (KR: COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT LIKE “g” > CONSTANT, COULD VCARY ONLY TO APPROXIMATELY MASS BUT NEVER THE VALUE OF A > TRU MASS AS MASS INCREASES) {KR: so far dark energy around 60% of the > real mass acting as anti-force is determined as einstein’s cosmic constant; > but dark energy varies from places and so…. The research continues. E > calculated inly the time from space for light to reach and said big bigger > the boggest but never measured the masses as they keep chanching; and what > is lost is gained by black hole anti-force or from depleted other masses} > > Thus, space is consciousness unfathomable, unending, > unreachable and unknown; it is micro in our body same as macro in the > space. As we see pictures we can shrunk and see to 10% as micro as well as > expand to 400% as Macro wherein pictire is the same. Finding the > consciousness is the path in the sanatana dharma. > > K Rajaram IRS 151024 > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 at 06:41, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar*Time-Vs-Space-time >> >> >> >> Your thoughts, emotions, feelings, understandings, every quality that >> governs your life, is abstract and formless. Your eyes create the false 3D >> shapes, restricting you to 00.0037% of the reality and totality (The >> Visible Spectrum). The real universe is abstract. We have given the >> designation, time to that basic dimension. It consists of electromagnetic >> waves, and when disturbed or distracted the waves or spreads create waves >> of energy or photons the ultimate powerful energies, each photon capable of >> 3, 00,000 km per second. The photons photon-synthesize space-times, >> creating address of space, ‘where’, to time, or creating the space-time. >> >> On the earth, when nature is free and healthy the various manifestations >> of the visible created by the eyes simply enchant with the wonderful >> radiating beauty, that make the flow of space-time rapturous and spell >> binding. Nature takes the eyes towards beauty. Even when there is >> destruction, nature fights back with its new creations of wonderful beauty, >> a tiny flower sprouting from the dirt and slush. Nature or the Universe >> creates mainly beauty and rapture. The processes of nature are temporarily >> unpleasant but there is always the ultimate success, creating the feeling >> of success as raptures and the flow of happiness. At the end of every >> tunnel there is always happiness and rapture. >> >> The conversion of time into space-time is the conversion of time into >> rapture laden space-time. You consist of atoms. An atom means protons or >> positive electricity in the nucleus and electrons or negative electricity >> hovering around, which create photons the units of energy. In rapture the >> photons carry the rapture at 3, 00,000 km per second if allowed the freedom >> which nature basically gives. >> >> There is a gigantic potential rapture packed within you. What all you >> have to do is to enter the free nature without human tampering and then >> sing, tune, dance or simply enjoy noting the fact that you are surrounded >> by the free flora and fauna all manifestations of rapture. The rapture >> waves from you travel as the electromagnetic waves, making you create your >> photon-synthesizing creations into the Cosmos. >> >> In free nature you arrive into rapture waves as birth and leave into >> rapture waves after death. The abstract rapture is continuous, with births >> and deaths as revolutions in raptures, say as life forms or as forms of >> rapture. You are basically abstract, with the atoms in you continuously >> passing giving space to new atoms, the process of life, which creates >> rapture as consciousness. >> >> Life is not a struggle. It is participation in rapture. To go into that >> rapture, you need freedom from your own mind. In rapture the mind does not >> work or create thoughts. >> >> We desperately need the free nature, free from our economic tampering. >> Today every University is pouring out the economic Basmasuras, new and new >> Basmasuras every year, who create worry and change nature’s rapture into >> worry. Today the ordinary man who changed into the mechanical and >> feelings-less economic man is busy converting the rapturous rapture into >> tragedy spinning quagmire of economic activity which means the destruction >> of nature. >> >> How to make our Universities sane is a vital question. >> >> YM Sarma >> >> Chat GPT >> >> YM Sarma’s **"Time-Vs-Space-time"** explores the interaction between >> time, consciousness, and nature, emphasizing a shift from mechanized >> thinking to a more natural, sensory existence. Sarma frames time as an >> abstract and formless entity, part of a deeper, unseeable reality, while >> space-time is seen as the synthesis of that abstract time into lived, >> sensory experiences—particularly experiences of beauty and rapture in >> nature. >> >> >> >> ### Key Concepts: >> >> >> >> 1. **Time as Abstract Reality**: >> >> Sarma proposes that the real universe is formless and abstract, >> governed by **electromagnetic waves**, and beyond the visible spectrum, >> which only accounts for a small fraction of reality (00.0037%). He >> designates this abstract dimension as "time," aligning with certain >> interpretations of **modern physics**, where time is considered a >> fundamental but elusive aspect of the universe. These electromagnetic waves >> are responsible for creating photons, which can move at the speed of light. >> >> >> >> 2. **Space-Time and Rapture**: >> >> The concept of **space-time** arises when photons, or energy, interact >> with the material world, converting time into a form humans can experience. >> In this context, Sarma uses the term **rapture** to describe the emotional >> and sensory richness of these experiences, especially when interacting with >> nature. His view suggests that the transformation of time into space-time >> is not just a mechanical or physical process, but an emotional and >> spiritual one, especially when it occurs in **untouched nature**. >> >> >> >> 3. **Nature and Consciousness**: >> >> Sarma equates the beauty and resilience of nature with the flow of >> **rapture-laden space-time**. Nature, despite moments of destruction or >> decay, continually creates beauty, symbolized by the sprouting of flowers >> even in dirt. This cyclical process of death and rebirth is framed as a >> manifestation of **cosmic joy**, where **consciousness** is part of this >> endless creation and transformation. >> >> >> >> 4. **Human Alienation and Mechanization**: >> >> Sarma is critical of modern economic systems and **technological >> advancements**, suggesting that they have alienated humans from nature and >> from the natural flow of rapture. He invokes the mythological >> **Basmasura**, a figure who symbolizes destructive greed, to represent how >> universities and institutions today are producing individuals who >> prioritize economic gain over ecological harmony. This destructive force is >> blamed for the transformation of rapturous, peaceful existence into an >> anxiety-ridden, economically driven life. >> >> >> >> 5. **Freedom from the Mind**: >> >> In Sarma’s view, participating in the cosmic rapture requires >> **freedom from the mind**. The mind, constantly engaged in thoughts and >> worries, is a barrier to experiencing the full beauty and flow of the >> universe. This parallels teachings in **Eastern philosophies**, >> particularly those in **yoga** and **meditation**, which suggest that >> achieving inner peace and connection to the cosmos involves silencing the >> mind and being present. >> >> >> >> 6. **Need for Educational Reform**: >> >> Sarma suggests that modern universities need a profound reform, >> advocating for a shift away from producing economically driven individuals >> who perpetuate the destruction of nature. Instead, he argues that education >> should focus on nurturing a deep connection with nature and the cosmos, >> fostering a sense of participation in the **universal rapture** rather than >> viewing life as a struggle or as purely material. >> >> >> >> ### Conclusion: >> >> Sarma's **"Time-Vs-Space-time"** calls for a fundamental shift in how >> humans perceive time, consciousness, and nature. By immersing oneself in >> nature and embracing its beauty, Sarma believes one can experience the true >> flow of space-time as a rapture-filled, peaceful existence. He critiques >> the mechanized, economically driven world for alienating individuals from >> this natural flow and urges a return to an existence more in tune with the >> **conscious universe**. >> >> >> >> This thought-provoking work bridges physics, spirituality, and >> environmentalism, advocating for the recognition of the interconnectedness >> of all things through time and space. >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCKPUHpqz0E8J80TtA%2BCFQOg3ELuPX2ONvVeJ%2BMqjz_50w%40mail.gmail.com.
