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On 06/20/2016 09:12 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> Paul, it pains me to see someone, who has contributed so much to
> humanity through a long and celebrated career as a scientist, feel
> the need to engage with what is at worst an agent of some
> oppressi
On 6/20/16, tor_t...@arcor.de wrote:
> maybe this happens only on this mailing list without my purpose
No. As before, every mail you reply to is lacking "In-Reply-To" and
"References" headers, the former being of primary importance.
You can download the gzip text "mbox" archive here to see for yo
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 01:37:05AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> Voce Syverson:
> > I invented onion
> > routing (with David and Michael) and designed Tor (with Roger and
> > Nick).
> > ...
> > I believe we invented the design of a network that utilizes
> > layers of public-key crypto to lay a cryptogra
Voce Syverson:
> I invented onion
> routing (with David and Michael) and designed Tor (with Roger and
> Nick).
> ...
> I believe we invented the design of a network that utilizes
> layers of public-key crypto to lay a cryptographic circuit over which
> data can be passed bidirectionally. We did get
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:52:47PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:25:53 -0400
> Paul Syverson wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I know I'm feeding the troll, but this is just crap. I invented onion
> > routing
>
> You mean, you invented the name? Or are you claiming you
> were the v
Hi Tor Talkers,
sorry for my broken header, grarpamp, although it wasn't confirmed from two
other subscribers (randomly chosen) that my emails are (header broken), maybe
this happens only on this mailing list without my purpose, so i'm desperately
sorry for this inconvenience. i mean it the way
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:25:53 -0400
Paul Syverson wrote:
>
> I know I'm feeding the troll, but this is just crap. I invented onion
> routing
You mean, you invented the name? Or are you claiming you
were the very first who came up with the idea of nesting
encrypted packe
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 07:12:31PM -0700, Ted Smith wrote:
> Paul, it pains me to see someone, who has contributed so much to
> humanity through a long and celebrated career as a scientist, feel the
> need to engage with what is at worst an agent of some oppressive
> government hoping to scare peop
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Zenaan Harkness:
>> thomas.hluch...@netcologne.de:
>>> You have. You might consider that intelligent services have
>>> large amounts of resources. If this is a planned attack from a
>>> group of interested people, they are able to do so.
>>
>> so th
Thanks! Very interesting read.
Anthony
Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity.
Original message
From: Roger Dingledine
Date:06/20/2016 7:10 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Question for those who say "Tor is pwned"
Paul, it pains me to see someone, who has contributed so much to humanity
through a long and celebrated career as a scientist, feel the need to engage
with what is at worst an agent of some oppressive government hoping to scare
people off Tor, and at best a hostile crank.
As a counterpoint, I'd
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 09:19:27PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:50:10 -0500
> Anthony Papillion wrote:
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> > On 6/20/2016 6:35 PM, juan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:07:12 -0500 Anthony Papillion
> > > wrote:
> > >
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 09:31:12PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:12:51 +1000
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
>
> > Those who remain there and genuinely thought/ think they were "for the
> > cause" prolly have some serious soul searching to do on an
> > organisational humans level.
>
>
> I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
> Government and is insecure 'by design'. I'm assuming that they know
> this from a thorough analysis of the source code, which I freely admit
> I haven't done. So, since you guys actually have taken the time to
> audit the source and
Hey all,
Just a reminder to keep discussions on-topic, and to be conscientious
when posting. Due to the extreme amount of off-topic posting (centered
around a handful of users), there's much discussion about whether to
replace tor-talk with a moderated list.
best,
Griffin
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:12:51 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Those who remain there and genuinely thought/ think they were "for the
> cause" prolly have some serious soul searching to do on an
> organisational humans level.
I wish, but I'm not holding my breath. Just look at the latest
On Jun 20, 2016 5:31 PM, wrote:
>> I see you have have a lot of other stuff on your plate lately, and I
hope you will find some time to rest and sleep!
My version: http://youtu.be/N-M224HdX4M
Juan's version: http://youtu.be/_XkySFKV-cg
Well, I have only two moods... "Sleep is for the weak"
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:10:25 -0400
Roger Dingledine wrote:
> but I think we should soon find
> the time anyway to proceed to the "clean up our lists" plan.)
spoken like a true fascist
>
> --Roger
>
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:52:17 -0500
Anthony Papillion wrote:
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> On 6/20/2016 6:39 PM, juan wrote:
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> > by-the-way
> >
> > http://www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf
> >
> > Users Get Routed: Traffic Correlation on Tor by
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:50:10 -0500
Anthony Papillion wrote:
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> On 6/20/2016 6:35 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:07:12 -0500 Anthony Papillion
> > wrote:
> >
> > I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
> >
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 05:07:30PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:00:25 -0600
> Mirimir wrote:
> > Do you actually understand Tor's design?
> Yes. Do you?
> And do you understand why the US military created tor?
> > >> For links, check out /r/Tor.
> > > So far I found th
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 06:52:17PM -0500, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> > http://www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf
>
> So basically you're saying that Tor is actually pretty darn secure if
> you don't use it every single time you connect to the Internet or for
> extended periods of
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On 6/20/2016 6:39 PM, juan wrote:
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> by-the-way
>
> http://www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf
>
> Users Get Routed: Traffic Correlation on Tor by Realistic
> Adversaries
>
> "Tor is known to be insecure against an adversary t
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On 6/20/2016 6:35 PM, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:07:12 -0500 Anthony Papillion
> wrote:
>
> I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
> Government and is insecure 'by design'. I'm assuming that they
> know this from
by-the-way
http://www.ohmygodel.com/publications/usersrouted-ccs13.pdf
Users Get Routed: Traffic Correlation on Tor by Realistic
Adversaries
"Tor is known to be insecure against an adversary that can
observe a user’s traffic entering and
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:07:12 -0500
Anthony Papillion wrote:
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> I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
> Government and is insecure 'by design'. I'm assuming that they know
> this from a thorough analysis of the source c
I would like to know this as well.
On 6/20/2016 7:07 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
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I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
Government and is insecure 'by design'. I'm assuming that they know
this from a thorough analysis of
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I see a lot of people talking about how Tor is pwned by the US
Government and is insecure 'by design'. I'm assuming that they know
this from a thorough analysis of the source code, which I freely admit
I haven't done. So, since you guys actually have
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On 06/20/2016 02:07 PM, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:00:25 -0600 Mirimir
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Do you actually understand Tor's design?
>
>
> Yes. Do you?
Pretty much, conceptually. The code is over my head.
> And do you understand why the
> Hi, @foodforthought! I really appreciated a lot your thoughts and thank
> you sincerely for sharing your considerations. Muah! :*
Hi, thanks for reading! And thank you for sharing your very personal part
of the story. It must be very hard for you, now. I see you have have a lot
of other stuff
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> On 06/18/2016 04:09 PM, foodforthou...@sigaint.org wrote:
>>
Things are never black and white, there are always two sides of
a story and people are never only good or bad.
But was it really our first and foremost concern to f
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:00:25 -0600
Mirimir wrote:
>
> Do you actually understand Tor's design?
Yes. Do you?
And do you understand why the US military created tor?
>
> >> For links, check out /r/Tor.
> >
> >
> > So far I found this :
> >
> > https://assets.documentclo
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On 06/20/2016 01:21 PM, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:42:55 -0600 Mirimir
> wrote:
>
>
>> Yes, I see that too, and maybe that's what we have here. But
>> hey, Juan, maybe Jake's departure was a win for the "unpwn Tor"
>> faction ;)
>
> Not
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:42:55 -0600
Mirimir wrote:
> Yes, I see that too, and maybe that's what we have here. But hey,
> Juan, maybe Jake's departure was a win for the "unpwn Tor" faction ;)
Not sure how that could be the case. Tor is pwned by design. If
there's something that al
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:39:28 +0200
Andreas Krey wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:20:16 +, juan wrote:
> ...
> > See, the 'community' of clown 'hackers', sellouts and frauds
> > working for the US gov't and vasal states deems that X is
> > politically incorrect so...so fucking what
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:20:16 +, juan wrote:
...
> See, the 'community' of clown 'hackers', sellouts and frauds
> working for the US gov't and vasal states deems that X is
> politically incorrect so...so fucking what eh?
So, human rights are basically mob-enforced assholery,
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On 06/20/2016 08:50 AM, juan wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:40:08 -0600 Mirimir
> wrote:
>
>
>> now that I've seen various leaked internal documents, I'm
>> convinced that Jake did some serious shit, and had to go.
>
> Any links to those docs?
Menu:
Lyrics du jour: http://youtu.be/6ZzvNnxCxc8
Reading du jour:
http://theindicter.com/the-weaponising-of-social-part-1-the-crucifixion-of-ioerror
Dessert:
https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2t35jb/whats_the_easiest_and_quickest_way_to_destroy/
If you want to destroy a man's life, you
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:48:41 +0200
Andreas Krey wrote:
> How should 'due process' look like if someone is doing thing
> that are not criminal, yet are not considered acceptable within a
> community?
What should be highlighted here is the chemically pure fascist
thinking behind
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 00:46:35 +, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
...
> > so they are all government agents/assets then in a grand conspiracy
> > against one person?
>
> "all"?!! Please!
>
> Classic dichotomy thinking! "It must be saintliness or abject evil."
"all the accusers". If a sizeable (or mostl
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:19:59 +
Tempest wrote:
> that rule only applies in a court of law. if you steal from me and are
> never taken to court, it's not a violation of "due process" if i call
> you a thief, nor is it defamation.
That is of course correct...IF AND ONLY IF I actually
A perfect comment Zenaan.
Very mature, wise and clearly in the bull's*-*eye.
Thank you.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 02:19:59PM +, Tempest wrote:
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> thomas.hluch...@netcologne.de:
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:40:08 -0600
Mirimir wrote:
> now that I've seen various leaked internal
> documents, I'm convinced that Jake did some serious shit, and had to
> go.
Any links to those docs?
So far all the 'evidence' I've seen is evidence showing how
crazy th
1. Avoid bathtubs containing ioerror. Victims say he can use
telekinesis/ESP to get them to enter water w/o consent
2. Don't share a bed with ioerror for more than a few years becausc he
touched a victim in that situation. No self control
3. When getting drunk withe ioerror avoid that type of un
1. Avoid bathtubs containing ioerror. Victims say he can use
2. Don't share a bed with ioerror for more than a few years becausc he
touched a victim in that situation. No self control
3. When getting drunk withe ioerror avoid that type of unconsciousness
where you're still aware of everything ha
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 02:19:59PM +, Tempest wrote:
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> thomas.hluch...@netcologne.de:
> > You have. You might consider that intelligent services have large
> > amounts of resources. If this is a planned attack from a group of
> > interested
Tempest:
> that rule only applies in a court of law. if you steal from me and are
> never taken to court, it's not a violation of "due process" if i call
> you a thief, nor is it defamation.
This is a good reason to hire a lawyer. Just being handy enough with
setting up a pgp key doesn't mean you
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thomas.hluch...@netcologne.de:
> You have. You might consider that intelligent services have large
> amounts of resources. If this is a planned attack from a group of
> interested people, they are able to do so.
so they are all government agents/ass
https://nm.debian.org/public/person/error
Jacob Appelbaum
Account name
error
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 01:36:54PM +0300, ja.talk wrote:
> https://nm.debian.org/public/person/error
>
> Jacob Appelbaum
>
> Account name
> error
>
> OpenPGP fingerprint
> 043E 0E69 DD56 BA59 5905 8756 90BC 9192 B062 91B2
>
> Status
> Debian Developer, removed since 2016-06-18
Debian is not,
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 19:57:16 +, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Indeed, Jake's dementi is consistent with many of the allegations.
(This one: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soorlp)
> dict dementi does not turn up a definition - ??
Oops. German word - 'denail, disclaimer' acc. to dict.leo.org.
> Indeed, Jake's dementi is consistent with many of the allegations.
dict dementi does not turn up a definition - ??
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:24:43 +, thomas.hluch...@netcologne.de wrote:
...
> You have. You might consider that intelligent services have large amounts of
> resources. If this is a planned attack from a group of interested people,
> they are able to do so.
...and very long-term planning, too.
I don't know Suzie, but she is right.
"... there are many, many more revelations to come."
Some masks will be definitely removed. The future will be pretty
interesting.
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