> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/18/2016 04:09 PM, foodforthou...@sigaint.org wrote: >> >>>> Things are never black and white, there are always two sides of >>>> a story and people are never only good or bad. >>>> >>>> But was it really our first and foremost concern to find out >>>> the "truth"? Is the lesson to be learned, if you will, about >>>> who is to blame? About shaming the victims or shaming the >>>> alleged perpetrator? About whether or not the "accused" will be >>>> found "guilty"? Is an "evidence-based discussion" or "due >>>> process" really going to solve the greater issue here? > > It's a beautiful thread, and yet I'm cutting here, and going off on a > tangent. [...]
Thanks, tangents welcome! > So anyway, as this tragedy initially unfolded, it was the largely > anonymous, and unremittingly strident, quality of the accusations that > influenced me most. But now that other Tor devs and activists have > told their stories, and now that I've seen various leaked internal > documents, I'm convinced that Jake did some serious shit, and had to go. Everyone has their way of processing. I took the statement on the Tor blog quite seriously, but I had no idea what orders of magnitude the accusations would have. After that blog post, events came thick and fast, and there is a lot to criticise about the aftermath. My kudos to Shari Steele for finally confronting a situation, that had apparently been swept under the rug for many years. We will see what the outcome is. > Still, I'm left with a poor impression of just about everyone > involved. I don't mean to blame anyone. I find it very hard to have a differentiated opinion without blaming people. I have a personal shitlist, which I hesitate to share, and it is a long read. But I don't want to feed the endless circles of anger, revenge, blame, guilt, judgement, accusations and justifications, I don't want to put my energy into this. Maybe it is simply too early for shitlists. What can be done though, is reevaluate ones own role in a community (see inital post). > But damn, the Tor community > during the past few years comes across as a soap opera! Good to know at least some of us have not lost their sense of humor /sarcasm! What adds to the complexity of the soap opera, is that there is no homogenous "community", but lots of groupings and individuals within the community, who follow their own agendas. > And the code > that came out of that soap opera is what people are counting on? > Seriously? Since the code is open source, that part is transparent and not dependent on assumptions or trust, but on maths and physics. Those sciences tend to be a lot more logically consistent and coherent than humans. Or soap opera scripts. Or CSI: Cyber scenarios. > > But OK, maybe they "do good work". > > <SNIP> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXZc3EAAoJEGINZVEXwuQ++R0H/200pmsP4HZOSgRXpMLPRldn > ZKzJ+bZQp3f1+P6uoTLRl6L9lc385Dbqf7BKnmzv7QR6Jv9B3USoiToDawIWDs3z > N0WtnDPHvbUQhXTinrNSX6Zngn0oVAFJl497JnR4ZLiWJvcWUTErV/Ycac6dM7OU > Eo+PxtoiD3a42zWNYKChyMfZY8UVqd/5E0S1AMGgawsAq4lNoukyCJyMIoVEY/cL > gsDjwjTuFaGW5KXkg9HsT1XTkEKQxtAn+/O5iCBKZ+tBnNV73cFvwcblwKLTCyZF > RWnTixT47PDAvzwacwmIIU9Zlhd1kpO7WDz4Bs3bscGCDVlUyTMV66ZeC8WswCw= > =yFcq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
