Re: dependency hell

2002-03-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 08:55:43AM -0500, Furnish, Trever G wrote: > Bill Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] spake thusly: > > It's not rocket science. > > ...but it certainly violates the principle of least surprises. "Install"ing > a "depend"ency should satisfy the dependency. If -U accompli

RE: dependency hell

2002-03-26 Thread Furnish, Trever G
Bill Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] spake thusly: > It's not rocket science. ...but it certainly violates the principle of least surprises. "Install"ing a "depend"ency should satisfy the dependency. If -U accomplishes what -i does not, that's counter-intuitive, to say the least. _

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Crawford wrote: >> > I'm surprised they did that split in the updates, because the ideal >> >is that you can indeed do a "rpm -Fvh *" in your updates directory. >> >> Yes, indeedy, like I was saying ... >>

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill Crawford wrote: > > > > rpm -Uvh popt-* rpm-* python-popt-0.8.7-7.x.2.i386.rpm >kdeadmin-2.2.2-3.i386.rpm > > > > There is an update for kdeadmin which uses the newer librpm* in the > >i38

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Bill Crawford
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > Bill Crawford wrote: > > I'm surprised they did that split in the updates, because the ideal > >is that you can indeed do a "rpm -Fvh *" in your updates directory. > > Yes, indeedy, like I was saying ... >

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Crawford wrote: > Well, just keep adding the missing packages onto the update command. >There's an update for gnorpm too: Yes, that did it, though I was greeted with a corrupt database afterwards. --rebuilddb seemed to make it happy. Glad on

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Bill Crawford
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > >The "problem" with trying to install one of the > >packages was due to trying to use "rpm -i" instead of "rpm -U" ... > > Notice that the -i attempt followed a failed -F run, and was then > followed by a failed -U. Yes, but that's because you

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Bill Crawford
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > > rpm -Uvh popt-* rpm-* python-popt-0.8.7-7.x.2.i386.rpm >kdeadmin-2.2.2-3.i386.rpm > > > > There is an update for kdeadmin which uses the newer librpm* in the > >i386 updates directory. > You must have a golden touch, Bill ... > > hobson:i38

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Crawford wrote: >> I didn't go to that much trouble. But I tried up2date and got the same >> error when updating rpm. So I tried popt and got the rpm error. I >> downloaded everything to try it some more. Always the same problem with >> the same

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Crawford wrote: >> Ask me again why I hate rpm ... > > Well, it's that, or you have a broken system when you get the >dependencies wrong :o) > > Seriously, it's the only sensible approach. Hmm ... that's a pretty sweeping assertion ... ;-) >I

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Bill Crawford
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, ABrady wrote: > I didn't go to that much trouble. But I tried up2date and got the same > error when updating rpm. So I tried popt and got the rpm error. I > downloaded everything to try it some more. Always the same problem with > the same errors. This happened both before an

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread ABrady
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:38:10 -0800 (PST) David Talkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quietly intimated: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > What, exactly, happened this week? > > This is a full install, and I keep everything updated. The directory > in which the commands below ar

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Bill Crawford
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > Ask me again why I hate rpm ... Well, it's that, or you have a broken system when you get the dependencies wrong :o) Seriously, it's the only sensible approach. I *would* like to see some more tools for package handling, but there's no serious o

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread David Talkington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Wreski wrote: >> Did anyone else experience this circularity with this week's round of >> updates? > >Yeah, I sure did. Something bad happened. I'm not sure if it's related, >but somehow netscape completely forgot all of it's preferences too. >

Re: dependency hell

2002-03-25 Thread Dave Wreski
> Did anyone else experience this circularity with this week's round of > updates? Yeah, I sure did. Something bad happened. I'm not sure if it's related, but somehow netscape completely forgot all of it's preferences too. I solved it by: (from my bash history) - remove the rpm-python and rpm-