Version 0.4.0 of distlib has recently been released on PyPI [1]. For newcomers,
distlib is a library of packaging functionality which is intended to be usable
as the basis for third-party packaging tools.
The main changes in this release are as follows:
* Add the ``interpret_parsed`` function t
I was surprised to find that in configparser, getboolean() does not
raise KeyError for a non-existent config parameter.
Demo program (Python 3.11.5, Windows 11):
import configparser
config = configparser.ConfigParser()
config.read('ThisFileDoesNotExist.ini') # This line could be removed
MY_BOOL
I am using Python 3.13.3 on Windows 11.
I notice that the compiler can optimise (some) constant expressions
containing operators plus numbers or strings, e.g.
2+2 is compiled as 4
1 + (2.5 + 3+4j) is compiled as 6.5+4j
'a' + 'b' is compiled as 'ab'
and even 'a'*4096 is compiled a
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a function to
search for a file with a given name in various directories (much as the
import.import_lib function searches for a module in the directories in
sys.path).
This function would perhaps be best placed in the os.path or os modu
On 22/05/2025 23:45, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 13:59, Michael F. Stemper via Python-list wrote:
I recently wrote a program to do some record-keeping for me. I found
myself hard-coding a bunch of different values into it. This didn't
seem right, so I made my first u
On 2025-05-23, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> Alternatively look at the PATH envronment variable, which
>> contains a list of directories separated by semicolons and which you can
>> access as os.environ['PATH'] .
>
> There is really no reason for a config file to be on the system
> path.
On Unix/Lin
On 23/05/2025 18:55, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 21:04, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a function
to search for a file with a given name in various directories (much
as the import.import_lib function searches for a module in
Thanks for sharing the update, Meejah! Great to see the addition of the status
feedback API and improved Dilation handling, those changes should definitely
enhance usability and performance. Also appreciate the move to pytest and the
clearer packaging per PEP 625. Solid work!
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The solution was provided in this thread here:
https://discuss.python.org/t/extended-import-syntax-for-aliasing-module-attributes/95920/3
The correct way to implement is:
import module
from module import optimize, validate as check
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Thank you. I have posted this idea on https://discuss.python.org/c/ideas/6
I had difficulty trying to find that.
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Thank you. I have used this link. I had difficulty finding it.
https://discuss.python.org/
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Hi all,
I would like to propose a potential addition to Python's `import` syntax that
would improve clarity and ergonomics for cases where developers want both full
module access *and* a local alias to a specific attribute within that module.
Currently, to get both behaviors, we typically write:
On 17/06/2025 00:19, Omar Ahmed via Python-list wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to propose a potential addition to Python's `import` syntax that
would improve clarity and ergonomics for cases where developers want both full
module access *and* a local alias to a specific attribute within
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 8:19 AM Barry Scott wrote:
>
>
> > On 17 Jun 2025, at 00:19, Omar Ahmed via Python-list <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I would like to propose a potential addition to Python's `import` syntax
> that
I honestly have no idea what's being measured, but here are some
numbers to compare this to, and then some explanation about async I/O
in general.
1. No I/O to a local disk on a modern controller should take
milliseconds. The time you are aiming for is below millisecond. That
is, writing a block t
Other languages uses thread pool, instead of creating new thread.
In Python,loop.run_in_executor uses thread pool.
https://docs.python.org/3.13/library/asyncio-eventloop.html#asyncio.loop.run_in_executor
2025年6月24日(火) 8:12 Mild Shock :
>
> So what does:
>
> stats = await asyncio.to_thread(os.sta
Given a class object (C), is it possible to *reliably* determine whether
the class was compiled with PEP 563 (from __future__ import annotations)
enabled?
Note that simply looking for the presence of C.__module__.annotations is
not really reliable. It will fail in the presence of any of these
co
On 2025-08-05, Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote:
> On 5/24/25 7:19 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 at 10:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, but if I understand correctly, they all start from a single
>>>
On 5/24/25 7:19 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2025 at 10:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list
> wrote:
>> Yes, but if I understand correctly, they all start from a single
>> directory (and work downwards if required).
>> My suggestion involved sear
Chris and Oleg (sp?), please control your tempers; your latter posts added
nothing useful to the conversation.
(Apologies for the late reply, I was out of town.)
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hat you can do right what you're
complaining that Python has done wrong.
I'm not holding my breath.
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to spell my
name correctly.
You can leave that there, I don't really care. All it really proves is
that you have zero respect for anyone else.
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On 5/8/2025 2:05 AM, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
Also, it appears that the change linked above is a lie:
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#grammar-token-python-grammar-longstringitem
According to the grammar, any character can follow backslash in a
valid Python
tk config files
somewhere.
i would aprichiate any help on that.
thanks a lot in advance,
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so please fix that
Thanks a lot in advance and keep up the good work
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e can always tune them or add new ones.
>
> Thanks,
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expressions
* Add dict's | merge and |= update operators
* Reorganize sequences index sectionto make room
* Add with () group of context to open multiple files
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ly add methods, conditionally provide different method
bodies, conditionally provide different arguments to parametrized
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On 5/18/25 08:39, Mike Dewhirst via Python-list wrote:
Apologies for top-posting. It's my phone's fault.Since no-one appears to have
responded, I'll stir up some aggro and offer my opinion based on ~45 years
experience with Microsoft.Uninstall python/idle etc completely and
On 5/18/25 15:16, Larry Martell wrote:
https://youtu.be/pqBqdNIPrbo?si=P2ukSXnDj3qy3HBJ
Get ready Guido:
"I'd like to thank the Academy ..."
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Am 18.05.2025 22:16 schrieb Larry Martell via Python-list:
https://youtu.be/pqBqdNIPrbo?si=P2ukSXnDj3qy3HBJ
Awesome! Which release channels will be used? How can we pay?
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On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, 'Flag2': 2, 'Flag3: 4, ' '__init__' :
__init__})
The new class is there, and the cla
On 5/19/2025 5:49 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, 'Flag2': 2, 'Flag3: 4, '
'__init__&#
On 19/05/2025 23:11, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/2025 5:49 PM, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
On 5/19/25 09:51, Jonathan Gossage via Python-list wrote:
I have created a dynamic class using the type() function:
x = type('MyFlags', (), {'Flag1': 1, &
under the name
'Flag3: 4, __init__'.
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when installed using
microsoft store V
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s and add the resulting list of
files.
>>> tmp_files = []
>>> for dir in ['/tmp', '/var/tmp']:
... tmp_files += [f for f in glob(dir + '/*') if isfile(f) ]
ti 27.5.2025 klo 17.05 Peter J. Holzer ([email protected]) kirjoitti:
> On 2025-05-
On Sun, 25 May 2025 at 10:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list
wrote:
> Yes, but if I understand correctly, they all start from a single
> directory (and work downwards if required).
> My suggestion involved searching a *list* (possibly multiple lists) of
> directories.
for dir in dirs:
On 22/05/2025 20:59, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I recently wrote a program to do some record-keeping for me. I found
myself hard-coding a bunch of different values into it. This didn't
seem right, so I made my first use of configparser.ConfigParser().
Created the configuration file and everything
On 25/05/2025 00:18, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/23/25 16:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
On 23/05/2025 18:55, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 5/22/25 21:04, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
It occurs to me that it might be useful if Python provided a
function to search for a file with a
he parts for the glob mask together
instead of plain '/'.
>
>
> ti 27.5.2025 klo 17.05 Peter J. Holzer ([email protected]) kirjoitti:
>
>> On 2025-05-24 17:18:11 -0600, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> > On 5/23/25 16:05, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
>> &g
ke 28.5.2025 klo 1.45 Thomas Passin ([email protected]) kirjoitti:
> On 5/27/2025 10:41 AM, Roland Mueller via Python-list wrote:
> > To get a list of files in a given directory one can use glob.glob and
>
> The OP had a different problem. He wanted to find a config file of
&g
On 28/05/2025 00:32, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> The archives are still there and the sign-up page seems to
> work, but it doesn't recognise me. I tried signing up as
> a new member with a different address and that seems to work(ie no
> errors) but I still don;t see any
I am the moderator of the python tutor mailing list.
Or at least I was. It seems the tutor list has been deleted.
I came back from vacation to find that I can't access it.
Nobody told me anything in advance. I've tried emailing
postmaster but got no response.
I wonder if anyone here has any idea
Hi everyone,
I just read the release announcement for Magic Wormhole 0.19.0, and I wanted to
start a thread here to appreciate the work and open up discussion for anyone
using or interested in it.
Some exciting highlights:
New status feedback API, finally, some clean visibility into code consumpt
Being a user of that list i've also noticed that only recently. hope that
this list is good enough to take on all python questions. Are there any
other alternative lists? Thx
On Wed, 28 May 2025, 01:35 Alan Gauld via Python-list, <
[email protected]> wrote:
> I am the mo
I am using multiprocessing.Queue to implement classic producer-consumer
pattern. To let consumers know all the tasks are done. I use a special None
as sentinel. And I use Lock and Value(counter) to judge if current process
is the last producer. If it is the last producer, it will put as many None
a
On 06/09/2025 17:21, MRAB wrote:
On 2025-09-06 13:47, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
I quite often find myself writing expressions of the form
someString[x : x+n]
where n is often an int and x may be an int, a variable, or a (possibly
complicated) expression.
It would be more natural
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 at 11:03, wrote:
>
> Thanks Chris for the response!
>
> As The Unicode Standard does define an uppercase form for the German sharp S
> (U+00DF → U+1E9E), and this has been part of Unicode since version 5.1
> (2008), with the German orthography officially adopting it in 2017.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 at 13:44, wrote:
>
> Dear Python Developers,
>
> I would like to bring attention to an inconsistency and legacy behavior
> regarding the handling of the German sharp S characters in Python’s string
> case conversion methods.
>
This isn't Python's decision. The definition of
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On Oct 7, 2025, at 13:14, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer via Python-list
wrote:
>
> Very sad ... At least as Steve Dower suggested even if we could get an
> email from Discourse or something.
I too will miss these announcements. I understand not having to post things to
multiple pl
Am Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 10:51:42AM +0200 schrieb Jean-François Bachelet via
Python-list:
> at least a mailing list is way more frugal. and internet friendly.
And above all, PUSH rather than PULL.
Karsten
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 at 02:01, wrote:
>
> Thanks again for your detailed reply — I really appreciate it. I have to
> admit, I wasn’t 100% sure about my data, which is why I submitted it for
> discussion before opening a bug report to the Python developers.
>
Don't. Don't open a discussion based
Hello,
I recently hacked together a script called entanglement.py that uses
libclang to parse C++ headers and generate a Python wrapper that can
call the C++ symbols in a .so directly. The Itanium C++ ABI is easy
enough to call from ctypes with 1 exception. Returning a class by
value from C++ resu
I quite often find myself writing expressions of the form
someString[x : x+n]
where n is often an int and x may be an int, a variable, or a (possibly
complicated) expression.
It would be more natural to be able to specify the slice not by its
startpoint and ENDPOINT,
but by its startpoint an
I have not installed python for a long time so I am not sure whether the
following configure flags are sufficient/recommandable for a
Python3.12.11 installation.
--prefix=/opt
--with-lto
--enable-optimizations
--enable-loadable-sqlite-extensions
--with-ensurepip=install
--with-pydebug
--with-as
On 03/09/2025 15:45, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:40 Rob Cliffe, wrote:
On 03/09/2025 15:35, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:21 Rob Cliffe via Python-list,
wrote:
On 03/09/2025 14:59, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 9/3/25 07
I tried uv, and I don't see a point in using it. It does what some
other existing tools do. Maybe faster. But it's in the place where
speed is not important.
For work, I follow company's rules, which require setting up a project
in the company's Git server. It doesn't really matter in what order
t
clothes.
I despise those subtle advertisements.
Kind regards,
Schimon
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 12:19:24 -0700
Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0
>
> Watched this last night. Overall I enjoyed it (but my wife, who is
> not a programmer, fell
Well, this is the classic example of reinventing Lisp. But why do it
incrementally and in this ridiculously inconvenient way? For those
unaware of the history:
https://gigamonkeys.com/book/beyond-exception-handling-conditions-and-restarts
this is an informal explanation of the mechanism.
Better ye
Hello, can anyone help? All assistance gratefully received. I am
running python 3.13.3 on a Windows 11 machine and trying to do
pip install matplotlib
(No, I don't need to say "python -m ...", I am running the right version
of python.exe.)
This starts by generating the following output (wh
So, ipdb is the ipython version of pdb. In fact, post_mortem is a
pdb function. I use ipdb because its REPL is a bit nicer to work
with then pdb.
-Original Message-
From: Stefan Ram
Subject: Re: Drop into REPL when your program crashes.
Date: 09/08/2025 06:04:16 PM
Newsgroups: comp.lang.p
I posted a question here several days ago and received a "Welcome to the
"Python-list" mailing list!" email, but I still don't see my question in the
list.
I'm posting this mainly to see if it shows up, or I get a reply from a
moderator, or something like tha
I've been experimenting to deepen my understanding of Python's behavior in
regard to metaclasses, descriptors, and other meta-programming stuff. In the
process, I have come across a behavior that is presumably by design but cannot
be inferred from anything I can find in the official documentatio
Hi,
Recently I have been increasingly adding this piece of code as
a preamble to a lot of my code.
import (sys, os, ipdb)
def debug_hook(exc_type, exc_value, traceback):
if exc_type is KeyboardInterrupt:
sys.__excepthook__(exc_type, exc_value, traceback)
r
Well, that was the more important thing to do. :)
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On 01/09/2025 14:26, marius.spix--- via Python-list wrote:
In your example when would isinstance(__exit_context__, ReturnContext)
be True and when would it be False? What would __exit_context__.value
be? I can't think of a sensible meaning for it. If no exception occurs,
is the value ret
On 01/09/2025 14:26, marius.spix--- via Python-list wrote:
In your example when would isinstance(__exit_context__, ReturnContext)
be True and when would it be False? What would __exit_context__.value
be? I can't think of a sensible meaning for it. If no exception occurs,
is the value ret
> Had this 'live-test' failed, where would Python be today?
I'm not sure if this is irony or do you honestly believe it
succeeded... but I think that "where Python is today" is pretty
indicative of failure. To me, however, the failure started with the
whole Python 3.X project, Guido being forced i
On 30/08/2025 12:03, marius.spix--- via Python-list wrote:
Dear mailing list,
there is currently no direct way to observe the current interpreter state in a
finally block without tracing.
My idea is introducing an immutable __exit_context__ magic variable, which
would have one of three
On 03/09/2025 14:59, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 9/3/25 07:20, Rob Cliffe wrote:
On 03/09/2025 00:01, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 9/2/25 14:51, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
There are two roots here:
(1) it's not finding a prebuilt wheel. You can see that because
it's propos
"pip install
./matplotlib-3.9.2-cp313-cp313-win_amd64.whl". You will probably get
an error, and hopefully, the error message will give you some idea
about why it couldn't install this in your initial attempt.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 11:00 PM Rob Cliffe via Python-list
wrote:
>
> He
7;d appreciate it if someone could advise me on which version of Python is
recommended for that operating system.
Thank you very much.
Arodri
Thomas Passin escreveu (terça, 2/09/2025 à(s) 23:24):
> On 9/2/2025 11:29 AM, amrodi--- via Python-list wrote:
> > I'm new to Python.
>
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:40 Rob Cliffe, wrote:
>
>
> On 03/09/2025 15:35, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:21 Rob Cliffe via Python-list, <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/09/2025 14:59, Mats Wic
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:21 Rob Cliffe via Python-list, <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On 03/09/2025 14:59, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > On 9/3/25 07:20, Rob Cliffe wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/09/2025 00:01, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> &g
On 03/09/2025 15:35, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, 15:21 Rob Cliffe via Python-list,
wrote:
On 03/09/2025 14:59, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 9/3/25 07:20, Rob Cliffe wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 03/09/2025 00:01, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>
On 03/09/2025 00:01, Mats Wichmann wrote:
On 9/2/25 14:51, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
There are two roots here:
(1) it's not finding a prebuilt wheel. You can see that because it's
proposing to use the source distribution instead:
> Collecting matplotlib
>
On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 1:46 PM amrodi--- via Python-list
wrote:
>
> I'm new to Python.
> Operating System - Windows XP SP3
> Python 2.7 installed.
>
> I got a script that tries to improve the image?
> I created a bat file using the command line.
>
> C:\pyth
On 07/10/2025 20:37, Thomas Passin wrote:
On 10/7/2025 2:49 PM, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
On 06/09/2025 17:21, MRAB wrote:
On 2025-09-06 13:47, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
I quite often find myself writing expressions of the form
someString[x : x+n]
where n is often an
On 2025-08-28, Roel Schroeven wrote:
>> If an OS did let you delete an open file, how would you expect it to
>> behave? Would you still be able to use the file? Would the file be
>> marked for deletion and be deleted when it was finally closed?
> Unix-like operating systems do let you delete a
On 2025-08-28, Mark Bourne wrote:
> Ethan Carter wrote:
>> PS. Is it just me or there's just us in this used-to-be-very-active
>> group? Thanks for being my teacher here. Have a good day!
>>
>
> Until a few months ago, there was a gateway that forwarded messages both
> ways between this newsg
On 2025-08-27, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 at 01:28, Ethan Carter wrote:
>> def copy(s, d):
>> """Copies text file named S to text file named D."""
>> with open(s) as src:
>> with open(d,
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 at 01:28, Ethan Carter wrote:
> def copy(s, d):
> """Copies text file named S to text file named D."""
> with open(s) as src:
> with open(d, "w") as dst:
> try:
> dst.write(src.read())
> except Exception:
> os.remove(d)
> raise
>
In
On Fri, Aug 29, 2025 at 3:37 PM Larry Martell via Python-list <
[email protected]> wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0
>
> Watched this last night. Overall I enjoyed it (but my wife, who is not a
> programmer, fell asleep). My only quibble is that they s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0
Watched this last night. Overall I enjoyed it (but my wife, who is not a
programmer, fell asleep). My only quibble is that they spent too much time
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 at 12:01, Michael Torrie via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 10/19/25 12:38 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> > The entire premise of your post was flat-out wrong. Your data was
> > nothing but hallucinations, and there is nothing to discuss. I'
On 10/19/25 12:38 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> The entire premise of your post was flat-out wrong. Your data was
> nothing but hallucinations, and there is nothing to discuss. I'm not
> even going to bother reading further, because every post you've
> writt
On 10/24/25 4:38 AM, Alan Bawden wrote:
> Paul Rubin writes:
>
>Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
>> >>> "%#0.3x" % 2
>> '0x002'
>
>f'0x{2:03x}
>
> Won't work for negative numbers.
That's true. For negative numbers the padding would have to be Fs
instead of 0s.
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On 10/22/25 7:14 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> And that's why it's so frustrating when someone bases their entire
> argument on an AI's nonsense. If the OP had simply posted it as a
> request, with no hallucinated claims, it would have been a
> straight-fo
About two years ago I moved from pip to conda. I have been happy with
conda until yesterday.
I want to create a new environment using a specific python version
rather than leaving that to conda. Cheat-sheets and online conda
documentation tell me to use:
conda create -n python=
like:
conda cr
Den 2025-11-13 skrev Loris Bennett :
Hi Loris,
Thanks for quick respons.
> Martin Schöön writes:
>
>>
>> I want to create a new environment using a specific python version
>> rather than leaving that to conda. Cheat-sheets and online conda
>> documentation tell me to use:
>>
>> conda create -n
Den 2025-11-14 skrev Stefan Ram :
> Martin =?UTF-8?Q?Sch=C3=B6=C3=B6n?= wrote or quoted:
>>If I try to specify a python version I don't get a new environment. The
>>error message I get is:
>>"The following packages are missing from the target environment:
>> - python=3.10"
>> (if I asked for ver
On 2025-11-16, Pokemon Chw via Python-list wrote:
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