Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-07 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 05:26:21PM +0100, Sebastian Rother wrote: > *snip* > >> Perl and is still buggy. So if you wanna change something then > >> please take your time...! > > > >WHAT is buggy about it ? I haven't seen any recent bug-report. > >I'm not aware of issues with it. > > Dear Marc, >

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-06 Thread Bernd Ahlers
Sebastian Rother [Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 05:26:21PM +0100] wrote: >godfather $ >perl /usr/ports/infrastructure/build/out-of-date Collecting installed >packages Collecting port versions: >complete Collecting port signatures: >complete Outdated ports: > >multimedia/streamdvd # libdvdread-0.9.

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-06 Thread Sebastian Rother
*snip* >> Perl and is still buggy. So if you wanna change something then >> please take your time...! > >WHAT is buggy about it ? I haven't seen any recent bug-report. >I'm not aware of issues with it. Dear Marc, 1st: Please send a mail just to me if you've an Off-topic question 2nd: The answer:

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-05 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 09:45:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So if you wanna include such a new sheme and if many > people think it's usefull then do it but do it wisely. > usr/ports/infrastructure/build/out-of-date was rewritten in > Perl and is still buggy. So if you wanna change somet

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-05 Thread sebastian . rother
Steve Shockley wrote: >Another idea, perhaps out of the scope of this discussion, >is it'd be nice if packages built for one version of the OS >would refuse to install (by default) on a different version; >no more "Why do I get this cryptic error message when I try >to install -current packages on

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-05 Thread Steve Shockley
andrew fresh wrote: As a 'user' I would like a way to tell easily if a package is for 3.7, 3.8, or current, especially when someone else was supposed to have upgraded a server. Another idea, perhaps out of the scope of this discussion, is it'd be nice if packages built for one version of the O

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Dalgleish
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:35:19PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 03:38:50AM +1100, Andrew Dalgleish wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 11:04:35AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 10:34:21AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: > > > > If you dared to be radical, you'd

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:28:00PM -0800, Marc Matteo wrote: > How about something that RPM does (or used to do, it's been a while) > is use an *internal* version number in cases like this. It's > basically the same thing as the v* idea only it's hidden in the > Makefile. > > So in the gcc

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Bernd Ahlers
Marc Matteo [Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:28:00PM -0800] wrote: >How about something that RPM does (or used to do, it's been a while) >is use an *internal* version number in cases like this. It's >basically the same thing as the v* idea only it's hidden in the >Makefile. > >So in the gcc case ins

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:04:35 +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > This does not take care of branch issues... started to think and don't see this. File: abiword-2.2.11.tgz8160 KB 01/11/0514:41:00 File: abiword-2.2.9.tgz 8159 KB 04/09/0519:19:00 Why are there

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Marc Matteo
On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Marc Espie wrote: The main objection you can have is that this is too complicated, but so far, we haven't been able to find any hole in that scheme... Opinions ? It's too complicated :). Actually it's not, but it'll confuse the folks adding packages. How ab

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:49:39 -0700, andrew fresh wrote: > Human readable, date based serials would be nice as that is something > easy to recognize and compare. If the serial was human readable, I > don't think there would be a need for the p* numbers as with the serial, > you would know which wa

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread andrew fresh
As a 'user' I would like a way to tell easily if a package is for 3.7, 3.8, or current, especially when someone else was supposed to have upgraded a server. However, I wouldn't like it to have to be a part of the Makefile as that would be a PAIN to update. So if when packing, it could look at som

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 03:38:50AM +1100, Andrew Dalgleish wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 11:04:35AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 10:34:21AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: > > > If you dared to be radical, you'd split the name into 3 parts: > > > generic name - human readable ve

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Andrew Dalgleish
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 11:04:35AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 10:34:21AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: > > If you dared to be radical, you'd split the name into 3 parts: > > generic name - human readable version - unix time. > > > > That would read > > python-expat-2.3.5-1131013

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 10:34:21AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:04:15 +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > > Opinions ? > > If you dared to be radical, you'd split the name into 3 parts: > generic name - human readable version - unix time. > > That would read > python-expat-2.3.5-11

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread hanz
> +1 more vote of thanks for really good work on pkg_* - some of us have > noticed Here! The package-system is well written, and the use of Perl-modules makes it very easy to extend. Even for an inexperienced programmer like me :-) Hans

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-03 Thread hanz
> In order to get you more confused, we've got more bright ideas about > version numbering... > > Right now, we mostly use the `vendor' number scheme, and we add a simple > p* suffix to denote what's going on with the OpenBSD port. > > As we've noticed, some times, vendor version numbers go backwar

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-02 Thread Christopher JS Vance
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:04:15AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: The idea is to add some v* suffix each time the numbering scheme changes. Okay. Some comments: - we still need the p* stuff to denote OpenBSD specific changes. Yes. - v* versions mean we can go backwards. If we find a security is

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-02 Thread Jim Razmus
* Jolan Luff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [051102 20:13]: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:04:15AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > In order to get you more confused, we've got more bright ideas about > > version numbering... > > > > Right now, we mostly use the `vendor' number scheme, and we add a simple > > p* s

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-02 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:04:15 +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > Opinions ? If you dared to be radical, you'd split the name into 3 parts: generic name - human readable version - unix time. That would read python-expat-2.3.5-1131013320 python-expat: package name 2.3.5: for us humans to know the base ver

Re: RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-02 Thread Jolan Luff
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:04:15AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > In order to get you more confused, we've got more bright ideas about > version numbering... > > Right now, we mostly use the `vendor' number scheme, and we add a simple > p* suffix to denote what's going on with the OpenBSD port. > > A

RFC changes in version numbering schemes

2005-11-02 Thread Marc Espie
In order to get you more confused, we've got more bright ideas about version numbering... Right now, we mostly use the `vendor' number scheme, and we add a simple p* suffix to denote what's going on with the OpenBSD port. As we've noticed, some times, vendor version numbers go backwards, or we do