Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-26 Thread Jason H
What's Google" as they do with Qt.   Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 12:03 AM From: "Vlad Stelmahovsky" To: interest@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter if you guys already did some code for mobiles, why dont just contribute back? On 2/20/19 3:32 AM,

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-26 Thread nicola defilippo (niqt)
instead person-years are being wasted. > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:09 PM > *From:* "Jérôme Godbout" > *To:* "Lorne Sturtevant" , > "interest@qt-project.org" > > *Subject:* Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter > > I did

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Vlad Stelmahovsky
d. *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:09 PM *From:* "Jérôme Godbout" *To:* "Lorne Sturtevant" , "interest@qt-project.org" *Subject:* Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter I did try a bit V-Play, but I did not like the fact I was stuck at a particular Qt version (it was

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
ime again. This is not "code less create more". A few weeks of a couple developers and this would be a completely different situation instead person-years are being wasted.     Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:09 PM From: "Jérôme Godbout" To: "Lorne Sturtevant"

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jérôme Godbout
seem to be fine aside from that problems. The price is a hard pill to swallow, with Qt 3D I guess the V-Play was less future proof I guess. From: Interest On Behalf Of Lorne Sturtevant Sent: February 19, 2019 7:04 PM To: interest@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter On 2019-02-19 3

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Lorne Sturtevant
On 2019-02-19 3:22 p.m., Jason H wrote: Was just reading the blog and it mentions live reloading: https://blog.qt.io/blog/2019/02/18/scaling-large-ui-development-projects-managing-complexities-reference-ui-neptune-3/ This Neptune3 thing, is that something we can use on the phones? I've been fol

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Sze Howe Koh
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 00:33, Jason H wrote: > Also, FWIW, I don't know why PySide didn't take up Riverbank's PyQt. So now > we have Mobile and Python fragmentation in Qt. They did try, but couldn't reach an agreement with Riverbank: https://wiki.qt.io/PySide_FAQ (see "What About PyQt?") PyQt i

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
: "René Hansen" To: "Jason H" Cc: inter...@lists.qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with it a bit for now. Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to dev

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
st C++ has the 3 year release cycle. Qt's future is murky though without a dedicated roadmap.        Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 10:14 PM From: "Fabio Giovagnini" To: fro...@tungware.se Cc: Qt-interest Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter My two cents. The main topic is:

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
ject.org Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter I am personally not convinced yet about having a _javascript_ VM. It seems to be a bottleneck. However I see the advantages it brings, but was it really necessary?   Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 21:15, Christoph Feck <cf...@kde.org> a écrit :

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
uesday, February 19, 2019 at 9:13 PM > From: "Christoph Feck" > To: inter...@lists.qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter > > On 02/19/19 20:47, Jason H wrote: > > What I've learned is that it's better to stand on the shoulders of giants > >

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Fabio Giovagnini
My two cents. The main topic is: a new language really has to give an answer to a real need. In my humble opinion when we talk about programming language, we cannot think to push artificial needs. The community of developers is not a commumitiy of fashion guys. They are professionals working to m

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
I am personally not convinced yet about having a javascript VM. It seems to be a bottleneck. However I see the advantages it brings, but was it really necessary? Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 21:15, Christoph Feck a écrit : > On 02/19/19 20:47, Jason H wrote: > > What I've learned is that it's better

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Henry Skoglund
Hi, totally agree C/C++ will outlive many of these new languages. It's also most likely Javascript will wane off sooner rather than later due to WebAssembly steadily improving. Been working/programming for 43 years now, while I fondly remember Pascal on CP/M from my youth (before C++ was inven

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Christoph Feck
On 02/19/19 20:47, Jason H wrote: What I've learned is that it's better to stand on the shoulders of giants than to rewrite the universe from scratch. I dream of a say where we can code things and everyone else regardless of platform can run it. I thought this was going to be .Net CLR, or Java

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
for these new toolkits to wrap platform APIs, but Qt remains the only one to successfully* abstract them. * platform parity issues persist. > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 6:42 PM > From: "Bob Hood" > To: "René Hansen" , "Jason H" > Cc: inter...@

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
lot. At least QML manages that for you. QML is the sleekest of all the declarative languages.      Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM From: "Bernhard B" To: "Bob Hood" Cc: "René Hansen" , "Jason H" , inter...@lists.qt-project.org Subject: Re: [

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Bernhard B
> I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it will likely be my mobile development language. I love Qt to death for desktop, but I've never been able to take to it's declarative approach. I know others swear by it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason. I gues

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Bob Hood
On 2/18/2019 7:40 AM, René Hansen wrote: I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with it a bit for now. Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with QtCreator, and the ui liv

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Bernhard B
osystem in order. With Google entering the x-platform > marketplace about the hopes Qt has is to somehow deliver better than > Google, or hope that Flutter is fleeting. Google has been a little ADHD > with projects, so... maybe? > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 10:5

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
be? > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 10:50 AM > From: "Jereme Givens- Lamothe" > To: "interest@qt-project.org" > Cc: "Jason H" > Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter > > Does something like the (recently rebranded) Felgo address any of your &g

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jereme Givens- Lamothe
t-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter   Many thanks for all those who replied. > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with > it a bit for now. > > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to > developer exper

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
Many thanks for all those who replied. > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with > it a bit for now. > > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to > developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with QtCreator, and >

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
> 19.02.2019, 15:27, "Vlad Stelmahovsky" : > > QtMultimedia cant be less power than GStreamer, because QtMultimedia on > > linux uses gstreamer as backend :) > > It's less powerful because its API provides lowest common denominator of all > media backends Well when dealing with x-platform apps

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
19.02.2019, 15:27, "Vlad Stelmahovsky" : > QtMultimedia cant be less power than GStreamer, because QtMultimedia on linux > uses gstreamer as backend :) It's less powerful because its API provides lowest common denominator of all media backends > However I'd like to see there something like cu

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread René Hansen
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 06:58 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Feb 18, 2019, at 17:18, René Hansen wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 16:27 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > >> >> > On 18 Feb 2019, at 15:40, René Hansen wrote: >> > >> > Achitecturally it's similar to Qt, in that they've build a custom >> render

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Vlad Stelmahovsky
QtMultimedia cant be less power than GStreamer, because QtMultimedia on linux uses gstreamer as backend :) However I'd like to see there something like custom pipeline provider to Gstreamer it would be really useful for different usecases br, Vlad On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:39 PM Christian Gagner

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Feb 18, 2019, at 17:18, René Hansen mailto:ren...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 16:27 Shawn Rutledge mailto:shawn.rutle...@qt.io>> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2019, at 15:40, René Hansen > mailto:ren...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Achitecturally it's similar to Qt, in that they've build a cus

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Furkan Üzümcü
I asked a question about this during the Qt Virtual Tech summit. It seems that The Qt Company acknowledges that Qt is being used for mobile more and more. I asked to Lars Knoll If there were plans to invest more in mobile to bring some native functionality, and he said that there are plans but i

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Christian Gagneraud
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 02:57, Jason H wrote: > > Are there any good Qt vs Google Flutter comparisons? > I took a brief look, it looked like a declarative JS framework. Usually the > difference with between Qt and the competition is Qt abstracts there platform > libraries (i.e. Gstreamer vs avfou

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Bernhard B
Just out of curiosity: Does the recent flutter 1.0 release have an impact on Qt's strategic orientation? Is flutter seen as a direct competitor to Qt? Will there be more/less focus on Qt mobile? I recently had to re-evaluate whether I want to want to stay with Qt for mobile applications or if I sh

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread René Hansen
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 16:27 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2019, at 15:40, René Hansen wrote: > > > > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things > with it a bit for now. > > > > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to > develope

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 18 Feb 2019, at 15:40, René Hansen wrote: > > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with > it a bit for now. > > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to > developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with QtCreat

Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread René Hansen
I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things with it a bit for now. Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with QtCreator, and the ui live updates across device, simulators, emulators

[Interest] vs. Flutter

2019-02-18 Thread Jason H
Are there any good Qt vs Google Flutter comparisons? I took a brief look, it looked like a declarative JS framework. Usually the difference with between Qt and the competition is Qt abstracts there platform libraries (i.e. Gstreamer vs avfoundation vs directshow) _