Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-28 Thread Jason H
m: "Markus Maier" > To: interest > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > > I stumbled upon these two EPIC's in JIRA today - the first was > recently updated, the second one is two days old now: > https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-72086 > https://bugrep

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Markus Maier
I stumbled upon these two EPIC's in JIRA today - the first was recently updated, the second one is two days old now: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-72086 https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-74049 So while there is currently no commitment to start a bigger development task, it seems that t

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Jason H
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 2:59 PM > From: "Richard Weickelt" > To: interest@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > > > Your every response has indicated this will not happen, just that mobile > > will follow the other platf

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Alexander Ivash
> Cc: interestqt-project. org > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > > Ok, thanks for clarifying that. > It's not just me though, there are *many* people using Qt that have +1d me > and stated that they agree with me. Your customer survey reported 20% using > Mo

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Nelson, Michael
it to adding the missing Mobile APIs. > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM > From: "Tuukka Turunen" > To: "Jason H" > Cc: "Bernhard B" , "interestqt-project. org" > > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > > &

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Richard Weickelt
> Your every response has indicated this will not happen, just that mobile > will follow the other platforms. I don't understand why Qt won't commit > to adding the missing Mobile APIs. The company is a joint stock company with the sole purpose of making as much profit as possible and filling the p

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Jason H
't commit to adding the missing Mobile APIs. > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM > From: "Tuukka Turunen" > To: "Jason H" > Cc: "Bernhard B" , "interestqt-project. org" > > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > >

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Bernhard B
> I guess that amongst mobile developers this number is higher than for C++ yeah right, but I am not sure whether the majority of Qt developers (the target group) want to deal with Java/Objective C. e.q: I know quite a few C++ developers who hate Java with a passion. But I don't want to start a

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
27.02.2019, 18:23, "Jason H" : >Who knows Objective C and Java? Not many. I guess that amongst mobile developers this number is higher than for C++ -- Regards, Konstantin ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Tuukka Turunen
ting device APIs? > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM > From: "Tuukka Turunen" > To: "Jason H" > Cc: "Bernhard B" , "interestqt-project. org" > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > >

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-27 Thread Jason H
to get Qt to commit to supporting device APIs? > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 11:34 PM > From: "Tuukka Turunen" > To: "Jason H" > Cc: "Bernhard B" , "interestqt-project. org" > > Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > > >

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-26 Thread Tuukka Turunen
2019 at 11.06 To: Tuukka Turunen Cc: Bernhard B , "interestqt-project. org" Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter Tukka, I don't think that there is a single Mobile user that finds your reply adequate. It sounds like you're dragging Mobile users along. We need a specific m

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Bernhard B
*Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:48 PM > *From:* "Bernhard B" > *To:* "Jason H" > *Cc:* "Tuukka Turunen" , "interestqt-project. org" < > interest@qt-project.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > definitely a +1 from m

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Jason H
e their own needs, and I'm in favor of us together coming up with that list, and having Qt commit to the top item(s) each release. That's what I mean when I say I want a transparent roadmap for mobile.       Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 at 3:20 AM From: "Tuukka Turunen"

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Bernhard B
just a > 80/20. Other developers have their own needs, and I'm in favor of us > together coming up with that list, and having Qt commit to the top item(s) > each release. That's what I mean when I say I want a transparent roadmap > for mobile. > > > > *Sent:* Monday, Februa

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Jason H
for mobile.       Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 at 3:20 AM From: "Tuukka Turunen" To: "Bernhard B" , "interestqt-project. org" Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter Hi,   I focused mainly in the tooling and cross-platform features in the roadmap blog p

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-25 Thread Tuukka Turunen
. org" Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter Many thanks to Tuukka for the Qt Roadmap 2019 blog post (https://blog.qt.io/blog/2019/02/22/qt-roadmap-2019/) - very much appreciated! As the mobile part was not explicitly mentioned, I assume that it won't be a focusing area for 2019 then? :

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-22 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 22 Feb 2019, at 13:24, Bernhard B wrote: > > Many thanks to Tuukka for the Qt Roadmap 2019 blog post > (https://blog.qt.io/blog/2019/02/22/qt-roadmap-2019/) - very much > appreciated! > > As the mobile part was not explicitly mentioned, I assume that it won't be a > focusing area for 2

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-22 Thread Bernhard B
Many thanks to Tuukka for the Qt Roadmap 2019 blog post ( https://blog.qt.io/blog/2019/02/22/qt-roadmap-2019/) - very much appreciated! As the mobile part was not explicitly mentioned, I assume that it won't be a focusing area for 2019 then? :/ Jean-Michaël Celerier schrieb am Fr., 22. Feb. 2019

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-22 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
> They even included, scripts to build the app. I'm not sure you have to go quite that far to be compliant, but awesome nevertheless. You explicitely have to: LGPLv3 4. e): Provide Installation Information, but only if you would otherwise be required to provide such information under section 6 of

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-22 Thread René Hansen
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 13:47 Jean-Michaël Celerier, < jeanmichael.celer...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cisco did it with an app that uses gstreamer (which is under LGPL) : > https://itunes.apple.com/ua/app/cisco-jabber/id467192391?mt=8. > They send it on request, with the proprietary part in a static lib (s

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-22 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
Cisco did it with an app that uses gstreamer (which is under LGPL) : https://itunes.apple.com/ua/app/cisco-jabber/id467192391?mt=8. They send it on request, with the proprietary part in a static lib (see at the end here : https://github.com/GStreamer/gst-plugins-good/blob/master/README.static-linki

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
Do you have one example of someone who put a LGPL app in the app store and provided the binary object files? On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:58 PM Julius Bullinger wrote: > On 21.02.2019 15:44, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > Qt is free (on mobile), free as in liberty, as long as your > > application i

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread ich
Well, this was my question here. What makes you think, you violate the LGPL in this case? >You *cannot* publish (for free or at a cost) Qt based proprietary SW >on Google play store w/o a Qt license. It would violate the LGPL. The >Qt license is a (costly) LGPL substitute. > >Chris > > > >> >> /R

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Christian Gagneraud
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 03:56, Julius Bullinger wrote: > > On 21.02.2019 15:44, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > Qt is free (on mobile), free as in liberty, as long as your > > application is free, as in liberty. > > That's basic (L)GPL rules. > > > > Now there's the business rules: > > If you want y

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Julius Bullinger
On 21.02.2019 15:44, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Qt is free (on mobile), free as in liberty, as long as your application is free, as in liberty. That's basic (L)GPL rules. Now there's the business rules: If you want your (mobile) app to be non-free (as in proprietary), then you'll have to pay the

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Christian Gagneraud
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 02:53, René Hansen wrote: > > You're reversing the burden of proof here. Where have Qt stated that it is > non-free for mobile? > > The licensing terms are the same no matter the platform; Qt is LGPL or > Commercial. It's up to you to adhere to whichever license you choose

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Jason H
From: "ich" To: interest@qt-project.org, "Sylvain Pointeau" , "Qt Project" Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter Thou shall not use sellers opinion as legal correct advice:) qt.io tends to hide facts and even post wrong "facts"...   Am February 21,

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread ich
Thou shall not use sellers opinion as legal correct advice:) qt.io tends to hide facts and even post wrong "facts"... Am February 21, 2019 1:49:21 PM UTC schrieb Sylvain Pointeau : >On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:30 PM Sylvain Pointeau > >wrote: > >> Qt is free on desktop, but it is not free on mobile

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread ich
As you said, look at the license:) You may git clone qt, read the LGPL license, accept it, and deploy your Android app. Just as you do with other LGPL code. What else official do you need? Yesterday i found worth reading: https://wiki.qt.io/Licensing-talk-about-mobile-platforms Am February 21,

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread René Hansen
You're reversing the burden of proof here. Where have Qt stated that it is non-free for mobile? The licensing terms are the same no matter the platform; Qt is LGPL or Commercial. It's up to you to adhere to whichever license you choose to utilise. /René On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 14:50 Sylvain Poi

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-21 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:30 PM Sylvain Pointeau wrote: > Qt is free on desktop, but it is not free on mobile, which is a real > showstopper for me and many others. > > Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 20:12, ich a écrit : > >> Qt is free, too. >> > I received few personal emails to ask me why am I writi

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
st work*. :-)     Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:39 PM From: "ich" To: No recipient address Cc: interest@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter OK, i've no idea about how to deploy to mobile devices, but what makes you think its not free?   Am February 19, 201

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread ich
ould be found there. >>>> >>>> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's >declarative >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update/correction though. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
ound there. >>> >>> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's declarative >>> or not. >>> >>> Thanks for the update/correction though. >>> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM >>&g

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread ich
important should be found there. >> >> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's >declarative or >> not. >> >> Thanks for the update/correction though. >> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM >> *From:* &qu

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
though. > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM > *From:* "Sylvain Pointeau" > *To:* "Qt Project" > *Subject:* [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter > the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated. > > > --

Re: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Jason H
larative or not.   Thanks for the update/correction though.     Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM From: "Sylvain Pointeau" To: "Qt Project" Subject: [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated.     -

[Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

2019-02-19 Thread Sylvain Pointeau
the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated. -- Message transféré - De : Jason H Date : mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:25 Objet : Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter À : Bernhard B CC : I'm in your offtopic camp. Everything is going Declarative. I really hate that web dev