Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-30 Thread Scott Lamb
James Ralston wrote: > For recent versions of sendmail, you can use the spamfriend/spamhater > hooks in the accessdb to implement either one of these policies: > > 1. Incoming mail from RBL-listed sites is rejected, except for > spamfriend users. > > 2. Incoming mail from RBL-l

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-30 Thread Scott M Likens
--On Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:42 PM -0400 James Ralston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For recent versions of sendmail, you can use the spamfriend/spamhater > hooks in the accessdb to implement either one of these policies: > > 1. Incoming mail from RBL-listed sites is rejected, except for >

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-30 Thread James Ralston
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Scott Lamb wrote: > Scott M Likens wrote: > > > This is quite Sickening, RBL is a MTA implementation not needed to > > be done via Sieve, and as for spamassasin you can always write > > decent header checks and body checks for postfix to use. I am > > sure there is the same

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread julesa
On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 17:48, Scott M Likens wrote: > --On Friday, April 26, 2002 1:25 PM -0700 julesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a technical/efficiency standpoint, sieve should not have to check > > an external source of information before delivering a message. Inserting > > a header, and

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Scott M Likens
--On Friday, April 26, 2002 1:25 PM -0700 julesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Valid points have been brought up on all sides. Just adding my $0.02: > > From an administrative standpoint, it is *not* all right to lose > potentially legitimate mail without notifying the sender, unless every > user

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread julesa
Valid points have been brought up on all sides. Just adding my $0.02: >From an administrative standpoint, it is *not* all right to lose potentially legitimate mail without notifying the sender, unless every user on your system has been made FULLY aware of the risk and agrees with the policy. That

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Scott M Likens
--On Friday, April 26, 2002 9:56 AM +0200 Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, that's you. Maybe your users don't agree. Maybe they don't even > *know* that they are losing *legitimate* email if you use some careless > rbl blackole (like the maps llc service -- I know, I've been bla

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Scott M Likens
--On Friday, April 26, 2002 1:13 AM -0500 Scott Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You feel it's acceptable to occasionally lose important mail to > heuristics. I feel otherwise. This really reinforces my belief that > per-user UCE rules are important. Now, if you know of a good way to > accomp

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Scott M Likens
--On Friday, April 26, 2002 9:19 AM +0100 simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (just adding my red diesel ) > > > Doesn't RBL check the IP address that people connect with ? > Now as a SMTP server you have this implicitly , later on > it would have to be taken from the headers, to find the ip.

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Alain Tesio
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:27:10 -0500 Scott Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scott M Likens wrote: > > > This is quite Sickening, RBL is a MTA implementation not needed to be > > done via Sieve, and as for spamassasin you can always write decent > > header checks and body checks for postfix to u

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread simon
(just adding my red diesel ) Doesn't RBL check the IP address that people connect with ? Now as a SMTP server you have this implicitly , later on it would have to be taken from the headers, to find the ip. Possible bit of a pain, just need to find the received header your machine on... Definit

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-26 Thread Luca Olivetti
damm wrote: > Because it should belong in the MTA for many reasons. The basic reason is i know >personally > from getting spam daily, i dont want the X-RBL-Warning, i want it JUST GONE! Well, that's you. Maybe your users don't agree. Maybe they don't even *know* that they are losing *legitim

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-25 Thread Scott Lamb
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 01:23:56PM +0800, damm wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:27:10PM -0500, Scott Lamb wrote: > > > Scott M Likens wrote: > > > > If you have some idea how I could accomplish my stated goals on the MTA > > side, please share. I've given my reasons for this approach. Why do

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-25 Thread damm
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:27:10PM -0500, Scott Lamb wrote: > Scott M Likens wrote: > > If you have some idea how I could accomplish my stated goals on the MTA > side, please share. I've given my reasons for this approach. Why do you > feel so strongly that this belongs in the MTA? Because it

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-25 Thread Birger Toedtmann
Scott Lamb schrieb am Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:27:10PM -0500: > Scott M Likens wrote: > > >This is quite Sickening, RBL is a MTA implementation not needed to be > >done via Sieve, and as for spamassasin you can always write decent > >header checks and body checks for postfix to use. I am sure t

Re: Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-25 Thread Scott Lamb
Scott M Likens wrote: > This is quite Sickening, RBL is a MTA implementation not needed to be > done via Sieve, and as for spamassasin you can always write decent > header checks and body checks for postfix to use. I am sure there is > the same option in sendmail. If you have some idea how

Sieve + RBL = SICK!

2002-04-25 Thread Scott M Likens
Now i know i RARELY ever post messages but i'll be quite honest. This is quite Sickening, RBL is a MTA implementation not needed to be done via Sieve, and as for spamassasin you can always write decent header checks and body checks for postfix to use. I am sure there is the same option in sen