v. I've got a spare machine that I'm willing to use
as a guinea-pig for testing mdev under the proposed setup.
How difficult would it be to set up an mdev-based profile, already?
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gt 1 ]; then
echo "***ERROR*** only 1 line allowed beginning with EAPI="
exit
else
#
exit
fi
This treats the EAPI statement as a declaration, and doesn't care
where it shows up in the file. I'm assuming no leading blanks in front
of "EAPI".
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siness being used to process ebuilds.
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t.
I've migrated to mdev, so I won't be seeing this problem, but a simple
solution that works for 95% of users might be the way to go. For the
more complex situations, an initramfs will be necessary.
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does the
build, assuming no errors detected in pass 1.
Under the heading of "syntax errors", I would include multiple EAPI
declarations. My response to Brian is that portage should not try to
outguess or fix or override an obviously broken ebuild. It should
return an error message (in this case "Multiple EAPI declarations not
allowed") and then halt. It is the ebuild-writer's job to come up with
a syntactically correct ebuild.
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perly. Some programs later
> on recover and handle things better.
Throwing that one right back at you, if you have /usr on the same file
system, plus you boot with systemd, your machine could be broken and you
don't even know it.
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lso offer
http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/IBMKBD
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stems.
Hopefully more info will start arriving, allowing more complex systems
to work with mdev.
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On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 03:12:11AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
> TOOT!!! (blowing my own horn). See http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ for
> instructions on replacing udev with mdev for simple Gentoo systems.
> Hopefully more info will start arriving, allowing more complex systems
> to wo
ual needs to state this
explicitly. Also, /usr/local is the "standard" place to keep one's own
software and/or global customizations that aren't handled by the package
manager, but don't belong in one user's home directory.
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check for, and optionally unmerges
unneeded stuff that was pulled in as a dependancy of a package that has
since been removed.
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On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 04:28:15PM +0100, Steven J Long wrote
> Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I've also cobbled together my
> > own "autodepclean" script that check for, and optionally unmerges
> > unneeded stuff that was pulled in as a dependancy of a package that ha
're not
going to add major additional functionality to the base code. That's
why I suggest optional add-ons for any additional functionality.
BTW, how would a non-programmer (at least not C programmer) like me
forward these ideas to the Gentoo Council?
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:04:54PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote
> On 04/22/2012 06:25 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > BTW, how would a non-programmer (at least not C programmer) like me
> > forward these ideas to the Gentoo Council?
>
> You'll see an email on this list a w
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 02:22:53PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote
> All users are recommended to migrate:
>
> # emerge -C media-libs/jpeg:0
> # emerge -1 media-libs/libjpeg-turbo
How about mentioning revdep-rebuild in the instructions?
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busybox? Why move the binary to /ginit,
rather than make a symlink from /bin/busybox to /ginit?
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udev as hard-coded dependancies. The udev
dependancy is a show stopper for me, as I've migrated over to mdev. See
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev That page is now mostly other
people's contributions. I was the rabble-rouser who started it.
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systems. I don't think that'll change, at least I hope it
doesn't. What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev.
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On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:59:45PM -0700, Greg KH wrote
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:52:33PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
> > > called, and pre-processes request
erge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
=
QED.
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If that message could be gotten
rid of, so as not to pollute /var/log/portage/elog, it could be useful
as a server_or_lightweight_desktop profile.
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uot;
equivalant. See http://git.busybox.net/busybox/plain/docs/mdev.txt
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is readable
like so...
cat /sys/block/sda/removable
0
cat /sys/block/sdb/removable
1
My question... is this API stable or deprecated? I.e. can I count on
it being around for a while? I figure this question is a developer type
question rather than ordinary user type.
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:31:25PM -0400, James Cloos wrote
> WD> cat /sys/block/sda/removable
> WD> 0
>
> Note that a 0 there does not imply that the device cannot hotplug.
>
> My USB drive reports 0.
You're right. Same for me. Thanks for pointing it out.
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dev core reimplemented with scripts.
I *DON'T WANT* "a serious framework", I want a lightweight device
manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of one
app doing one thing well. mdev is enough for the vast majority of people.
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in mdev.
My main programming strength is bash scripts etc. Actually, a "fork"
I'd be interested in would be to take standard Gentoo and replace as
many programs as possible with their busybox-symlink equivalants. This
would require at least a new profile, to
a) create the appropriate symlinks, and
b) not pull in the standalone versions.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:32:57AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote
> On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 01:05 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I *DON'T WANT* "a serious framework", I want a lightweight device
> > manager... period... end of story. Stick with the unix principle of on
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:55:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >
> > After some more Google-searching. it looks like the "official
> > channels" way is via /etc/mdev.conf. Note that this is on a system wit
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:44:59AM +0200, Stelian Ionescu wrote
> On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 18:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:26:03AM -0700, Greg KH wrote
> > > What specifically is your objection to udev today? Is it doing things
> > &g
I asked what I thought was a simple developer-type question. I don't
want this to become a public flamewar. If anybody wants to discuss the
issue with me further, please email directly to me and not the list.
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e might be dangerous to
allow regular-user programs to do.
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http://linux.die.net/man/7/svgalib Is that even in the tree anymore?
If not, that's one less reason to keep games special.
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ne?
We used to laugh at Sony rootkits, but that's what we could be looking
at here.
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indows
machines, how many companies will make cpus for the remaining 5%.
Remember how MS strongarmed OEMs into a "Windows tax"?
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:49:18AM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
> Walter Dnes (very active over in gentoo-user) has put a lot
> of work into testing and documenting mdev as an alternative for
> udev. There's been a good deal of success there, up to and including
> it working with GN
vot_root man pages see
http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root and
http://linux.die.net/man/2/pivot_root
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o what happens to people using mdev? Do we have to switch from
Linu-x to Lenna-x?
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c/sys/kernel/hotplug is gone, mdev advocates will have
> settled on some early udev fork. [1]
Do you realize this would effectively kill linux in the embedded
device area? Udev, even without the systemd code, is simply to large
for embedded devices.
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d passes all calls to /sbin/mdev.
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 03:41:36AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > Do you realize this would effectively kill linux in the embedded
> > device area? Udev, even without the systemd code, is simply to large
> > for embedded
eir machines. I'll still consider it beta (Work In Progress) until
other people confirm it works for them. Once that's done, my next
project might be "custom mdev rules", similar to "custom udev rules".
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> > 2. Fork udev.
>
> I don't think this is necessary, and it would create more work for us
> than is needed.
3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev and
(still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB The
next challenge is "custom mdev rules", which should be do-able.
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:06:41PM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >
> > 3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev and
> > (still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB The
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:27:29PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:35:02 -0400
> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> > 3. More support for mdev; e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev
> > and (still in beta) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automoun
; or you can even have it an initramfs (ie, in a single file on the main
> system).
If you want *REALLY* "entirely separate from the main system", you
should be looking at a "rescue CD" or bootable USB key. That's about as
safe as you can get.
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xpect it to take effect, which is
not what's going to happen. This will save the user forums from being
hit with the same question over and over about settings in /etc/make.conf
being ignored.
3) When support for /etc/make.conf is finally dropped, the presence of
/etc/make.conf should make emerge halt immediately with an error message.
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istro like Gentoo, where all sorts of gnu utilities
get excercised by build scripts each time you do an update.
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--disable-jisx0201
--disable-koi8-r"
fi
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that would be fixed by setting a UTF8
default locale??? I want a real answer. Not something along the lines
of "But daddy, all the other kids are doing it".
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will apvlv build properly. I've
reported this bug, and I assume that the apvlv ebuild will be changed to
look for the app-text/poppler[xpdf-headers] before proceeding further.
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, users shouldn't have
> > to then emerge an additional program to add more configuration in
> > order to have a clean system.
>
> No, they weren't.
This looks very similar in principle to USE="-docs".
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On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:22:08AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote
> Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > I remember when xpdf was removed, epdfview was recommended as a
> > > lightweight alternative. How about this time?
> >
> > Try apvlv. Note, you *MUST* first build popple
nd
> sysvinit with it) for all systemd users even if we don't use it at
> all.
Good idea. While we're at it, please also let's not make
systemd/udevd/dbus/pam mandatory.
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ty" requires not just
systemd and dbus but pulseaudio and binary syslogs and whatever else the
Redhat developers decree?
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
hat's why I want the user to
have the option of over-riding EJOBS, should it ever be implemented.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
o-unwind-tables and -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables to CFLAGS and
CXXFLAGS? Should it be mentioned in the install manual as an option for
users to possibly include?
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
ll or nothing. An x32 distro is technically
possible, but it would require every last single binary/library/object
file/etc *INCLUDING PROPRIETARY PROGRAMS AND BINARY BLOBS* to be x32 and
only, and no multilib stuff. If amd64 did not support multilib and
plugin-wrappers, it would be a lot less comm
rofile is unmaintained...
***ONCE FOR EVERY LAST SINGLE PACKAGE YOU BUILD***. If you want a light
profile, I suggest doing what I do... start your USE variable in
make.conf with "-*", and add any flags you need, either in package.use or
in make.conf.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
percentage of ebuilds
break, then it might not be too much of an effort to fix that small
subset.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
gression?
> As I posted elsewhere, working on a project based on "hate" only lasts
> so long. I should know, that's the reason I started udev in the first
> place over 9 years ago.
The Xfree86 people generated a lot of hate, just like Sievers and
Poettering. Xorg ha
e udev on non-systemd setups. I,
and a lot of other people, would like to use a sane standalone udev
(from the Greg KH days) without systemd's dependancies/restrictions.
That is the "target market" for a udev fork.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349
stemd
> dependencies being on the system, is something that if I were the
> systemd maintainer, I would reject.
There is obviously no point in us continuing this debate. You are in
favour of systemd, I am not.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349
s". As I said in my
previous message, there have always been a few edge cases that require a
pre-mounted /usr to boot properly. What I'm complaining about is that
the other 99% of udev users are now gratuitously forced to share the
pain of the edge case users.
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We are
at that does not happen, myself included.
Kay and company have been rather cavalier in breaking systems in the
past. Richard Yao is working on an insurance policy, just in case Kay
and company do it again.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Tor
ally given Lennart's
pronouncement about standalone udev being "a dead end". The maintainer
will face a task similar in principle to what IBM was doing. What
Richard Yao is doing is the udev equivalant of "jump off before you get
pushed off".
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We are ap
e day
> when ***WE*** can drop that support entirely.)
If you think the statement that Lennart is at least unofficially
involved in udev is don't complain to me, complain to Lennart.
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We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349
sabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I
vaguely remember "emerge --update --deep world" stopping with a message
that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested
in the message.
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/blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/ubuntu-12-04-gma500-poulsbo-boot-options/
for more Poulsbo-specific tweaking.
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vast majority of hits either had
links to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Poulsbo (the Arch Linux
wiki) or else copied large portions of that page. I followed their
instructions, but it did not help. I'll do some more testing first, to
see if I can narrow down the bug.
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ile. I found out via Google
that setting aside some ram for the video noticably improves video
performance. The netbook can now play 1080p HD Youtube videos in the
"large player". Not fullscreen. Before this, 1080p would stutter
badly, even in Youtube's "small player".
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ct
on news items would have no hiccups at all. Those who miss it would
have a one-time inconvenience, but at least their systems wouldn't be
"automagically" screwed up.
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to set a flag to one of 2-or-more options?
> 4 To make the default build agree with the maintainer's personal
> preferences.
>
> * Example: enabling hpn in net-misc/openssh by default.
Another example is IPV6 which most people do not yet have from their
ISP as a regul
days. I figure that it'll probably have a shorter USE line
if I start USE with "-*", and I will not have a larger package.use file.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
e the last stage before masking. It would
deliberately break the build, and require the user/admin to take manual
action (add the flag for the GLEP) before proceeding further. This is
a heavy-handed method, but masking is more final.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
, there's no need to go JSON format (bleagh). To simplify
parsing, fields for one arch should be clustered together.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
e"
Mixing together does not seem to work.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
1 Status: 2017-04-20 (frozen, all changes require RM approval).
Development: GCC 8.0 Status: 2017-04-20 (regression fixes & docs only).
Maybe we should what many enterprises do with Windows; i.e. skip a
version and go straight to gcc-6.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
#x27;ll wait for other people to experience
problems. If nothing major, I might switch at a convenient time.
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###
The include script to use gcc 5.4.0 differs in only the first line...
###
export GCCX_ROOT=$HOME/gcc540
###
Would the various "export" commands work if inserted into make.conf?
Actually, would they eve
flag means something entirely different for
harfbuzz, i.e. build media-libs/harfbuzz against media-gfx/graphite2
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
default-enabled
> use-flag pie) in regular (non-hardened) profiles.
Has anyone checked 32-bit systems? "emerge -pv =sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0"
on a 2008 Core2duo 32-bit install (my GCC 6.3.0 testbed) shows "(-pie)".
I read that as the "pie" USE flag being hard-masked
01
suggests that Intel came up with a radically different design for
Itanium, versus x86, specifically to avoid a cross-licencing agreement
that allows AMD to clone Intel x86 and x86_64 cpus.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
nical items and patches that are over my head. But
after the separate /usr fiasco, I don't feel I have any choice. If we
could have a guarantee of proposed changes like that being posted on
Gentoo-User for comment, rather than being sprung on users by surprise,
I'd be willing to sign off this list.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
y
* GNOME getting a hard-coded dependancy on systemd
* etc, etc
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
, be they OS-level or application-level. Regular users should
not have to follow this list. Even if you're not going to alter course
regardless of feedback, at least let users know so they're not caught
unawares. If nothing else, post news items to Gentoo-user ***AHEAD OF
TIME*** warning about changes like these.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
pre-built binaries like Pale Moon (from
their website), firefox-bin, seamonkey-bin, openoffice-bin,
libreoffice-bin, libreproject-bin, etc.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
forked version of
Ad Block Plus to ensure that it works on Pale Moon..
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On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 01:14:31PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:38:01 -0400
> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> > As mentioned elsewhere, what happens when two or three other
> > people do their own forks? Plugin 1 works with vim A and B but
>
entoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_Gentoo
> In the simplest case users only have to change the
> /etc/portage/make.profile symlink, in the worst case they may have
> to recompile the entire system from scratch while doing a neat
> voodoo dance.
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On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:41:11PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote
> Am Sonntag, 11. Juni 2017, 20:39:00 CEST schrieb Walter Dnes:
> > 1) Should I be doing bug reports on the Gentoo bugzilla or upstream?
>
> Gentoo please, though also submitting stuff upstream and linking to
>
0 Feb 28 14:50 package.use.mask
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35 Aug 8 2015 parent
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/python-2.7.3
>=dev-lang/yasm-1.0.1
>=dev-libs/glib-2.24
dev-vcs/git
media-libs/fontconfig
>=media-libs/freetype-2.1.0
media-libs/mesa
=sys-devel/autoconf-2.13
sys-devel/gcc
<=x11-libs/gtk+-3.0
x11-libs/libXt
x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme"
Does each entry have to be detailed with configure, install, etc,
stuff, or is this sufficient?
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On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:32:09PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:27:38 -0400
> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
> >
> > > Though I will have to see what happens if a package is listed in
> > > more than one set. I think there is a hiera
* "emerge --depclean" after deleting from /etc/portage/package_rdepend
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On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 09:49:08AM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 05:24:19 -0400
> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> > Yes, for gcc.
>
> Which if someone ignores warnings, and breaks their system, it is on
> them. At that point your best t
nes like...
emerge --depclean --verbose =fu-bar/xyz-1.2.3
Before running "./cleanscript", I check it for problems. Here's the
autodepclean script...
#!/bin/bash
# autodepclean script v 0.04 released under GPL v3 by Walter Dnes 2012/07/09
# Generates a file "clean
If you can't be bothered to use available customization options to set
up your machine to your liking, but ask for a change of defaults that
also affects everybody else, don't be surprised at the negative reaction.
You would've gotten a much better reception, if you had gone to the
gento
ule is not listed in "/etc/vimodule.nopurge", delete the module.
Option B) Integrate this functionality into Portage. During the install
process, check if the ebuild being installed is listed in
"/etc/vimodule.nopurge". If not, skip installing files into the vim
modules directory. If "/etc/vimodule.nopurge" doesn't exist, or
"NEEDSCONFIGFIRST" has not been commented out, allow the modules to be
installed.
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of rush-stabilizing everything "just
because". I recommend mostly keeping our current setup, with one
change, i.e. allowing security-fix ebuilds to go "stable" immediately.
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that there is no "mainstream" to follow.
> > Perhaps striving for the cleanest solution would be the best?
>
> Debian puts 64-bit libs in /lib/(host), where (host) is something like
> x86_64-linux-gnu. They don't get put in /lib directly. They call this
> "multiarch".
>
> Migrating Gentoo to a "multiarch" config is a larger project.
And what happens when 128-bit cpus debut? /lib128?
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