I still don't see why you'd bother all existing users with that info.
Just blog, or (better) write a nice email to -announce, and update the
install docs.
Also, can you exclude all Prefix profiles for this news item if you
insist on pushing it out?
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> If anyone has particular suggestions about who should see this news
> item, including the filter of how to achieve that, please let me know.
You can limit news items to certain profiles, so, you could make them
apply to the default/linux profiles, I guess. Not sure if the FreeB
On 24-07-2012 07:20:31 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > I don't know about general consensus. In my opinion, it's plain spam to
> > existing users. (And that would IMO be the xth news item in a row to be
> >
em at all, IMO.
>
> From the perspective of a user who often deals with the install
> process, and occasionally helps others with it, I think this is could
> be very good.
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about to break our systems
> unannounced (again) ? - its not spam to give us a heads up, even if its
> just reassurance.
I think you misunderstood. Nothing is breaking at this time. Hence I
don't think this is worth asking your attention for.
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On 24-07-2012 09:33:39 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 24/07/12 07:39 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > From a different angle, perhaps stage3s shouldn't include a
> > default /etc/make.conf at all. Would solve this issue nicely, and
> > doesn't require a news
On 24-07-2012 13:15:43 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> I think a news item is reasonable here (in addition to the above).
[snip good arguments]
But that's a news item on (a version of) Portage, not on catalyst and
stage3 building.
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why don't you refuse to read elogs, news messages, and what
more?
Do we really have to babysit people, because they think they're too
smart to check on the manual once again? Or when they notice things
seem different? Any search engine is your friend.
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There is a difference between "there is a UTF-8 locale available on the
system" and "en_US.UTF-8 locale is in effect".
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the eclass is out of question
> and should be left for ebuilds
>
> therefore pseudo-prefix support should be left in place too... right?
I guess so, or you'll trigger "out of prefix" errors indeed.
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On 06-08-2012 07:49:48 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 06-08-2012 13:37:55 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> > Also, I'm not so sure if this will work correctly for Prefix.
> >>
> >> I&#
On 06-08-2012 11:16:52 -0700, Olivier Crête wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 13:56 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > While OpenRC is likely perfectly capable of starting/stopping daemons as
> > a normal user (with some tweaks), I expect systemd replacing init, to
> > alrea
On 06-08-2012 11:40:57 -0700, Olivier Crête wrote:
> I think they only want to support systemd-in-systemd, not
> systemd-in-random-init-system.
I think neither fits Prefix. So we're back at the starting position.
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On 07-08-2012 18:03:14 +0200, Torsten Veller wrote:
> * "Fabian Groffen (grobian)" :
> > grobian 12/08/07 15:21:54
> >
> > Modified: ChangeLog
> > Added:XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild
> > Log:
> > Fix expat d
l be more harm than you can possibly imagine.
It works fine under Linux, Solaris and Darwin. So I think you're
jumping to conclusions here too quickly.
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Huh? Not sure I understand this, but it suggests something which isn't
true for Prefix to me.
> We could also make virtuals not pull in anything on Prefix in those
> cases.
Things like virtual/os-headers already do so.
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On 15-08-2012 07:32:45 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 15-08-2012 12:58:32 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> >> Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> > 2. Things like Prefix rely on the system not installing local copies
&
On 15-08-2012 07:50:42 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > There are only a few packages I've seen that depend on a certain
> > (min/max) version of glibc, and when in use for Prefix, mostly use
> > "!prefix? ( e
ty much useless to me as well. So, there is the system set which
just is the central place where those packages are recorded.
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> like a gitweb log to see what was going on. Any suggestions on how we
> > can get the visibility back?
> How about using the gentoo-commits mailing list in the meantime?
it doesn't contain everything CIA has, but for a large deal -commits ML
is indeed much better
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> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 07:07:40PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > it doesn't contain everything CIA has, but for a large deal -commits ML
> > is indeed much better
> What's missing from the commits list?
>
On 26-08-2012 12:22:16 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:36:09 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > On 23-08-2012 20:10:55 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 07:07:40PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > > > it doesn
> phasing
> out in-between EAPIs (i.e. deprecate EAPIs 1 and 3 asap).
I guess you meant 1 and 2.
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On 31-08-2012 18:08:12 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> And for a reasonable Gentoo toolchain, pkg-config is a must-have. At
> least since we deprecated and are seriously fighting libtool.
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this whole example/question sounds like an ebuild-quiz question
that any dev should be able to answer then.)
What would be the advantage of sub-slot here, assuming the versioning of
the libraries follows ABI versioning rules defined by e.g. libtool.
Please enlighten me.
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Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would not do
what you need?
Do you allow sub-slot to depend on e.g. USE-flags in use? Suppose
libfnord has a USE-flag cow that adds special cow interfaces to the
ABI/API. Would SLOT="X/${PV}$(use cow && echo -- -cow)" work?
(I think SLOT is supposed to be metadata-static, but does the sub-slot
part count to that?)
[1]
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=e4ba8f36e6a4624f4fec61c7ce8bed0e3bd2fa01
[2] http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/EAPI_5_tentative_features
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sponsible teams and maintainers to fix the eclasses, followed by
ebuilds.
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433894
[2]
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/pms.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9040ab3482af5f790368bac5d053bf1cd760ba8;hp=f9f7729c047300e1924ad768a49c660e12c2f906
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On 07-09-2012 10:52:10 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 09/07/2012 10:13 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would
> > not do what you need?
>
> Can you point out a package for which SONAME/ABI/whatever changes
> every time
On 07-09-2012 13:51:24 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 07/09/12 01:13 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 06-09-2012 09:25:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> >> #1 - there is both a specification, and an initial
> >> implementation, AND a fork of the tree that is kept
On 07-09-2012 19:21:57 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:17:17 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > Eh, no. Now it just always breaks when you perform a downgrade, and
> > revdev-rebuild or @preserved-libs won't help you. I prefer that you
> > give
nction by e.g. implementing it itself, conditionally. A
package maintainer might not have been aware of this, hence not
expressed this in the dependencies (e.g. requiring the version that
contains the missing function).
Anyway, we should avoid downgrades of libraries, so no need to discuss
this
just want to fully
understand what slot-deps is supposed to do, and what not.
It seems I fail in doing so.
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On 07-09-2012 12:03:16 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 09/07/2012 11:17 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > I guess real-life examples, more extensively described than you did
> > before, with exactly where it goes wrong, and how the situation is
> > improved would help.
>
> P
dependency
> resolver can note that reinstalling pkg would fix it, since dep:1/b
> also satisfies pkg's slot 1 := dependency (but not the locked 1/a
> dependency that the installed version of pkg has picked up).
Thanks. It seems we're there. At last.
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On 07-09-2012 16:38:15 -0700, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
> On 9/7/2012 10:32 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > With the introduction of IMPLICIT_IUSE (scheduled for EAPI 5), a phrase
> > has been added to PMS, that finally makes a statement on what's supposed
> > to be in IUS
ths not to have to use newer EAPIs...
I think the problem is that this vision doesn't really give a migration
path, even when people are willing to move on to EAPI 5.
Personally, this vision doesn't really encourage me to push any changes
for this, since Portage seems to handle it well.
On 10-09-2012 10:28:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:25:05 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 10-09-2012 09:32:23 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > So really we should just not support prefix at all in any EAPI
> > > before 5, and not ha
ing what is preventing the _council_ from reviewing this or why
> the _author_ of that GLEP hasn't requested it for the next council meeting.
I guess nothing is preventing them from reviewing it. However, it's
just a waste of time if you're just asking those guys to review the
GLEP
ore the path to the original files, so
generating in ${ROOT} yields in wrong paths. Python sometimes
regenerates the files when it runs. It may as well just ignore them
(since they are newer but non-matching, unclear to me). In the worst
case it returns "Bad marshalling data".
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m, so python-distutils-ng was wrong from the beginning and nobody
> cared to point it out?
I'm not reviewing each and everything in detail, sorry. It's just
that Pacho raised the point in this thread that made me recall the
above.
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And be aware that this doesn't just mean changing
eclasses, since this rule is effectuated in certain ebuilds too
(dev-lang/python itself being the most obvious example).
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ation, meaning the .pyc/.pyo from py2.6 is
> exposed/accessed for py2.7 for example.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300922
I doubt whether it's a Python bug, we have to mess with the files. But
then again, I did some toying, and it seems Python doesn't care about
this
y my tests with Python 2.7 worked fine
when I tinkered with the .pyc and/or moved it around.
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On 02-10-2012 12:40:20 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> The irker proxy was mentioned in this thread. I think we should look
> into this. Unless someone has a better idea.
I think it might be more beneficial to try and relay -commits email to
irc.
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to Python, such that the build-system just inserts it. I recall it's
necessary at least on FreeBSD, Darwin, Solaris, but I don't recall any
more why it works/worked on Linux fine.
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On 30-10-2012 19:08:39 +, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Added: udev.eclass
> Log:
> New eclass to determine udevdir from udev.pc pkg-config file as requested
> by many people, without ML review due to unproductive feedback
Uhm...
Please, stop doing this!
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> it matters. (in this case it doesn't matter but seems good practices)
echo -n is not always working, but in this case no point in using it at
all.
> have you checked what is the udevdir value on prefix, if at al
On 30-10-2012 15:47:51 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 30-10-2012 19:08:39 +, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> Added: udev.eclass
> >> Log:
> >> New eclass to determine udevdir from udev.pc pkg-co
On 30-10-2012 23:22:01 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> So exactly what is (your) problem with the current eclass now?
Your eclass pretends to support Prefix, but it is broken in that
respect, and because some other eclass does it the same way (your
claim), you refuse to fix it.
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On 31-10-2012 09:51:51 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> I don't do prefix and I'm _always_ expecting a patch from prefix@ for
> prefix issues.
In that case, please don't invent prefix things yourself. Thanks.
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> USE=" x -y"
> USE="-x -y"
>
> This should be so simple to script but I can't figure out how to do it.
> Anyone have any ideas or a ready example script?
% echo {x,-x}" "{y,-y}
x y x -y -x y -x -y
Is that what you need?
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On 08-11-2012 19:41:41 +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 08-11-2012 19:18:10 +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> > For a while I've been thinking that it would be sweet to feed all
> > variants (enabled/disabled) of several USE flags to a script to automate
> > testi
t;
IUSE="-debug sdl static-libs xv"
IUSE="-debug sdl static-libs -xv"
IUSE="-debug sdl -static-libs xv"
IUSE="-debug sdl -static-libs -xv"
IUSE="-debug -sdl static-libs xv"
IUSE="-debug -sdl static-libs -xv"
IUSE="-debug -sdl -static-libs xv"
IUSE="-debug -sdl -static-libs -xv"
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t; - doins "${@}"
> - )
> + local INSDESTTREE
> + insinto "$(_systemd_get_unitdir)"
> + doins "${@}"
Isn't this a bit ugly and assuming knowledge that you better not?
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gt; /.
You end up with a symlink (e.g. bin -> ./usr/bin) from one place to the
other regardless, so it doesn't matter much.
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On 19-11-2012 15:20:56 +0700, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote:
> 18.11.2012 22:51, Fabian Groffen пишет:
> > You end up with a symlink (e.g. bin -> ./usr/bin) from one place to the
> > other regardless, so it doesn't matter much.
>
> So, why not to make /usr/bin ->
Hi,
I'd like to push out attached news item ASAP. Please review.
Thanks in advance,
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Author: Fabian Groffen
Content-Type: text/plain
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On 01-03-2017 14:04:07 -0600, Matthias Maier wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017, at 13:43 CST, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to push out attached news item ASAP. Please review.
>
> Looks good. Has a clear and precise structure.
Thanks,
On 26-03-2017 20:54:51 +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Congratulations for getting this far. What's your opinion?
When you say "arch" you actually mean a keyword as per GLEP-53[1] right?
Thanks,
Fabian
[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:53
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On 26-03-2017 22:02:38 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2017, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > When you say "arch" you actually mean a keyword as per GLEP-53[1]
> > right?
>
> Which doesn't agree with actual usage in the tree,
On 27-03-2017 09:56:50 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> >> > When you say "arch" you actually mean a keyword as per GLEP-53[1]
> >> > right?
> >>
> >> Which doesn't
hat is the actual problem with that? Hardware or more deltas to
download by users? Just wondering.
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l to me to have both mutt and neomutt around. I
sent my detailed comments on the neomutt ebuild to Nicholas off-list
already. The changes suggested should show even more how the two are
different.
Thanks,
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hen sorry, I am not
aware of that. I can live with a symlink USE-flag. It doesn't seem
very elegant to me, but it would work for this scenario.
Thanks,
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nary is still always called 'mutt'.
>
> Why not just have mutt and/or neomutt for both packages? Whoever only
> wants neomutt and run it with 'mutt' can "alias mutt=neomutt" and be
> done.
Both packages install /usr/bin/mutt by upstream's defau
ch
will be, given the suggestions you and others have done in this thread.
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> >
> > Thanks in advance:
>
>
>
>
> Please post the ebuild. That's a git error (not a portage error) and it
> means you are trying to run "git " without running "git
> init" first
Chances are git is called from the Makefile.
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code.
Perhaps open up the dicussion on the related project's mailing lists.
At least I haven't come across any request to explain certain
bits/decisions yet.
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t, mostly usable on NAS
> or smartphones, when we do ultimately like portage to manage groups and
> users.
I think we could definitely live with this until someone requests
otherwise.
Thanks,
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ference implementation for this GLEP is being developed
> as the gemato project [#GEMATO]_.
>
>
> Credits
> ===
>
> Thanks to all the people whose contributions were invaluable
> to the creation of this GLEP. This includes but is not limited to:
>
> - Ro
k/metadata.xml
> deleted file mode 100644
> index a8bbb441f29..000
> --- a/dev-libs/libunibreak/metadata.xml
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,14 +0,0 @@
> -
> -http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd";>
> -
> -
> -
> - Libunibreak is an implementation of the line breaking and word
> breaking algorithms
> - as described in Unicode Standard Annex 14 and Unicode Standard
> Annex 29. It is
> - designed to be used in a generic text renderer.
> -
> -
> - Generate man pages with doxygen.
> - Install html API documentation.
> -
> -
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On 14-12-2017 13:39:18 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 14 grudnia 2017 13:21:47 CET, Fabian Groffen
> napisał(a):
> >Can we make it a policy to list /what/ QA issues are the justification
> >for commits like these? A description in the commit message would be
> >prefe
On 14-12-2017 13:39:18 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 14 grudnia 2017 13:21:47 CET, Fabian Groffen
> napisał(a):
> >Can we make it a policy to list /what/ QA issues are the justification
> >for commits like these? A description in the commit message would be
> >prefe
oking for
> excuses and loopholes, and start doing something good for Gentoo.
So, breaking the tree, just because someone forgot to set the
maintainer field is doing something good for Gentoo? (That's called QA?)
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-commits/message/7f34111f0e45f451d5b3a5
see) contact Andrey upfront
to establish how honest his mistake was?
> Andrey pretty clearly stated that he did this *on purpose*.
Andreas also did his commit *on purpose*. Honestly. And he made things
worse, now actually *affecting* our users. ...
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> W dniu czw, 14.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶56 +0100, użytkownik Fabian Groffen
> napisał:
> > On 14-12-2017 13:39:18 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Dnia 14 grudnia 2017 13:21:47 CET, Fabian Groffen
> > > napisał(a):
&
e-light, I suggest to anyone who doesn't
like this direction that we move discussions to -project instead.
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's playground", and I wonder if
in that case it wouldn't be better to introduce a new one instead?
Maybe I'm just one of a few who thinks the order is reversed now.
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equires USE=clang)
> + Support dumping LLVM bitcode sections in
> Mach-O files
> + (uses app-arch/libxar)
I think you mean app-arch/xar everywhere?
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of that, I'd like to group
32/64 bits versions of arches. Basically djc converted into:
AMD64
X86
PPC64
PPC
ARM64
ARM
SPARC64 (?)
SPARC
ALPHA
IA64
HPPA
MIPS
...
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is it technically
possible to reject such commits?
3) if 2) should we decide on some clock skew and reject anything which
is beyond that?
How do others feel about this?
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repoman also is as happy as it can be on this odd
file (I thought it used to complain about stray/unadded files).
Does anybody know or have a pointer to what the policies on files in our
ebuild dirs actually is?
Thanks,
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On 28-02-2018 22:08:54 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:10:52PM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm working on a verification implementation of
> > https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0074.html and ran into the following
> &
ng snapshots (for emerge webrsync) and no rsync propagation.
>
> -A
>
>
>
> References:
>1. https://infra-status.gentoo.org/
>
> read_char: errno==EILSEQ; invalid byte sequence for UTF-8:
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> * net-analyzer/prometheus-uwsgi_exporter
> * net-analyzer/prometheus-pushgateway
> * net-analyzer/prometheus-alertmanager
>
> With the growing adoption of prometheus I expect more exporters to be
> added (I have five more that I want to add in the near future).
>
&
ould feel more obliged to fix them?
> Provided that the packages are still maintained, and it won't be
> 'hey, we just made it impossible to install this package, maybe someone
> will fix it one day'.
I agree, packages shouldn't suddenly start failing. Not during install,
not during runtime either. For changes like this EAPIs were invented.
Fabian
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look at. Thanks :)
> [1]:https://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/dev-timeline.html
> [2]:https://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/active-devs.html
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for review, or even start wondering
> that we might be using USE=libressl all around for some reason...
While I believe your point is right (patches for review), I think this
style of communication is unnecessary.
Thanks,
Fabian
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gt; replace the two with a single NEW state.
...
> Your thoughts?
How about UNRESOLVED instead? Else you get bugs which are NEW for years
even though they have activity all over.
Thanks,
Fabian
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On 16-06-2016 14:51:26 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:41:43 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
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> > On 16-06-2016 14:26:47 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Hello, everyone.
> > >
> > > Here's my second RFC wrt bugs.gentoo.org re
properly, or to generally harm others and ignore good
> practices because you can't handle your mail.
You mean ignoring the Reply-To header is "good practice"?
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On 16-06-2016 19:37:55 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:52:32 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
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> > On 16-06-2016 16:37:10 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > P.S. Please don't CC me when replying to my e-mails on the list,
> > > &
+ # cpp is probably broken
> + if [[ $1 != CPP_WORKS ]]; then
> + echo unknown
> + # Check which of the defines were substituted
> + elif [[ $3 != __clang__ ]]; then
> + echo clang
> + elif [[ $2 != __GNUC__ ]]; then
> + echo gc
t it does a lot of things also for the environment. With
clang, from my experience, you just want it as drop-in replacement for
gcc as it doesn't give you too much issues (on Darwin at least).
Fabian
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On 10-08-2016 08:39:26 +0800, Lei Zhang wrote:
> 2016-08-09 13:58 GMT+08:00 Fabian Groffen :
> > As a question to Lei, I'm wondering why you chose eselect compiler, and
> > not gcc-config to manage the links. In a way, gcc-config is tailored
> > towards gcc, but it doe
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