Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-12 Thread Zac Medico
Jason Stubbs wrote: Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need be concerned with is how to extract the repository name from the news.unread file and how to then resolve that to a directory name, regardless of how repositories are implemented. Expanding on this a litt

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:29:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Incorrect. There needs to be no GLEP regarding multiple repository | support in portage. There may need to be a GLEP regarding splitting | up the portage tree into separate repositories, but that is nothing | to do with th

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-12 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:53:34PM -0800, John Myers wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:07, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > You forgot d) a pain in the ass to parse, e) inconsistent with > > > everything else, f) a pain in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-12 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 December 2005 09:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:11:53 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Regardless of what you think about the current plans for multiple > | repository support, the details that readers will need to know wont > | change. > > Inc

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:11:53 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Regardless of what you think about the current plans for multiple | repository support, the details that readers will need to know wont | change. Incorrect. Right now, readers should ignore news-blah.unread and only pay a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 December 2005 09:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:44:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need be > | concerned with is how to extract the repository name from the > | news.unread file

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:44:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need be | concerned with is how to extract the repository name from the | news.unread file and how to then resolve that to a directory name, | regardless of ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 December 2005 02:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:32:05 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Repositories will definitely have a unique identifier. Perhaps it > | would be better to use the repository-identifing format from the > | beginning so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 11 December 2005 23:53, John Myers wrote: > Well, if you take the entire spec with all its variations, then ciaranm's > points there are indeed correct (week number formats, day of the year > formats, punctuationless formats, etc.) Well as long as you always use the same format, the sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread John Myers
On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:07, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > You forgot d) a pain in the ass to parse, e) inconsistent with > > everything else, f) a pain in the ass to sort, g) massive overkill. > > I find ISO 8601 simple to sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Curtis Napier
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Does anyone really use emerge --ask? Yes. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread John Myers
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:57:23 -0700 Lares Moreau > | * Before an ``emerge --ask`` 'yes||no' response > > Does anyone really use emerge --ask? I do. Almost always in fact. When I want to install a package, I use --ask with --verbose so I g

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > You forgot d) a pain in the ass to parse, e) inconsistent with > everything else, f) a pain in the ass to sort, g) massive overkill. I find ISO 8601 simple to sort -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:41:30 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As noted in the original GLEP 42 discussion, I strongly feel we should | use an ISO-8601 compliant date string representation as this is both | a) international, b) easy to read and c) machine parsable. You forgot

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:57:23AM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote: > A couple things I noted: > (1) > In News Item Identities we have the following date format, > > Each news item will have a unique identifier. This identifier will be > > in the form ``-mm-dd-short-name`` > > Later in "News Item He

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread sanchan
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Does anyone really use emerge --ask? Yes. -- Sandro -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:57:23 -0700 Lares Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Is there any reason why we can't keep all the dates in the GLEP 1 date | format? IMHO this helps prevent confusion. Yes. It makes sorting news items far harder. | * Before an ``emerge --ask`` 'yes||no' response Does a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Lares Moreau
A couple things I noted: (1) In News Item Identities we have the following date format, > Each news item will have a unique identifier. This identifier will be > in the form ``-mm-dd-short-name`` Later in "News Item Headers" we have an other in order to be compatable with GLEP 1. > ``Posted:``

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Francesco Riosa
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > GLEP: 42 > Title: Critical News Reporting +1 . -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:46:01 +0100 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > There are currently several ways of delivering important news items | > to our users, none of them particularly effective: | | I'd suggest changing this to something more constructive - calling our | current efforts "

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:32:05 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Repositories will definitely have a unique identifier. Perhaps it | would be better to use the repository-identifing format from the | beginning so that readers are forced to be forwards-compatible? | Assuming the readers

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Francesco Riosa
Luca Barbato wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >> * Anything involving XML. >> > > What about incidentally make the format yaml compatible? > > yaml.org Only if we (you?) are able to extract a considerably simpler subset of the specification, as is it's really overkill. > > /me runs where ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 12/11/05, Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:35:50AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Although most package updates are clean and require little user action, > > occasionally an upgrade requires user intervention during the upgrade > > process. > > Recent ex

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:35:50AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Although most package updates are clean and require little user action, > occasionally an upgrade requires user intervention during the upgrade process. > Recent examples of the latter include the ``gcc-3.4`` stabilisation on ``x86`

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Anything involving XML. What about incidentally make the format yaml compatible? yaml.org /me runs lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-10 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 11 December 2005 10:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Whenever relevant unread news items are found, the package manager will > create a file named ``/var/lib/portage/news/news.unread`` (if it does not > already exist) and append the news item identifier (eg > ``2005-11-01-yoursql-updates``) o