Re: [gentoo-dev] Commented packages in the @system set

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 08:05:55AM -0700, Nick Vinson wrote > Theoretically no. When autotools is used correctly, the release tarball > has no dependency on either. That said, many people don't generate / > distribute a release tarball. > > However, I don't think this is the criterion used to de

Re: [gentoo-dev] For review: News item "Deprecation of sys-libs/uclibc and migration to sys-libs/uclibc-ng"

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:42:27AM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to commit the following news item in a couple of days. > I'm sending it as an attachment so hopefully it'll come across > exactly as I will commit it. > > Please review. Thanks. Glad to hear. Which m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Firefox bloat Was: chromium ...

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:36:27AM +, Duncan wrote > FWIW, the australis thing never really affected me much. I had some > extensions (and configuration mania guified native options) changing > the look somewhat before, and have some extensions (and config mania > options) changing the look s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: chromium-54 needs ffmpeg-3.0.1

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 03:12:08PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:03:34 -0500 > »Q« wrote: > > > says it's in Gentoo overlays, but I don't > > know which ones. > > Tar.bz2's from http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/ are > working nicely fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: openrc runscript transition (draft 3)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 07:32:05PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote > On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:57:43 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > > > I thought about dropping the version number from the > > display-if-installed line, but that doesn't make sense because it means > > that everyone, including all new inst

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: grub2 multislot use flag is being disabled

On Mon, Aug 08, 2016 at 09:12:32AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote > Title: Grub2 multislot use flag is being disabled > Author: William Hubbs > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2086-01-09 ?!?!?!?! > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 1.0 > Display-If-Installed: >=sys-boot/grub-2 > > The multislot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Signed push & clock drift rejection

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:07:12AM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguy???n wrote > Kent Fredric schrieb: > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:21:22 -0400 > > waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > >>I'm amazed that "robust linux servers" are deathly afraid of simply > >> setting the time, and being done with i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Signed push & clock drift rejection

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:27:09PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote > > As I wrote earlier in this thread, ntp server is not a guarantee > that such problems will not happen. If hardware clocked was > significantly offset during boot, it may take several _hours_ for > ntp to fix this via clock skew.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: migration from uclibc to uclibc-ng

far away. E.g. in a 32-bit VM... [g32gst1][waltdnes][~] date --date='@-2147483649' date: invalid date '@-2147483649' [g32gst1][waltdnes][~] date --date='@-2147483648' Fri Dec 13 15:45:52 EST 1901 [g32gst1][waltdnes][~] date --date='@2147483647' Mon Jan

[gentoo-dev] Multiple occurences of flags in use.local.desc

Another day, another thread about multiple occurences of a flag in use.local.desc. Howsabout a serious overall look at the situation? Start with the following short script... #!/bin/bash rm -rf flagcount0.txt sed "s/:/ /" /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc | \ cut -d \ -f 2 | \ sort -u

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: new global use flag: luajit

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:23:37PM +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:34 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> I'd rather avoid adding more of this until we figure out what to do > >> about multiple Lua versions. The Lua5.1/5.2 split is still stuck > >> nowhere, and luajit is yet ano

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] eclass/toolchain-funcs: add clang version functions

On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 01:08:13AM -0500, Austin English wrote > > My goal is clang support parity with gcc. If you are opposed to these > sort of checks, then why don't we deprecate and remove those functions? > I want to know why gcc deserves special treatment, either all compilers > should have

Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project)

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:58:35PM +0200, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote > On 06/11/2016 10:53 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > On 06/11/2016 07:48 AM, james wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> Good/Bad idea, posting proxy-maintainer questions to gentoo-user? > >> (recall irc does not work for me). Also, it mi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New global USE flag: webp

On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 12:45:15PM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguy???n wrote > Suggested description: Add support for the WebP image format > Currently in use by the following packages: Out of sheer curiousity... grep -i -w webp /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc ...returns the same list *

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > USE=gui is about building the graphical user interface that an > application offers, when it is optional. That's it. What > dependencies that means and so on have nothing to do with the flag. That reasoning may have been valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 04:25:07PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > On 02/06/16 03:42 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote > >> > >> IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for > >> users who don't want to care ab

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote > > IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for > users who don't want to care about X/wayland/mir and do not want to care > about gtk/qt, they just want windows to be drawn for the applications > they install

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:50:59AM +0100, Graham Murray wrote > waltd...@waltdnes.org writes: > > > Let me re-phrase my question... is there *ANY* set of circumstances > > under which any of X/xorg/wayland/mir/qt4/qt5/gtk2/gtk3/fltk USE flag > > can be set for a package *WITHOUT* requiring a gui

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Wed, Jun 01, 2016 at 07:56:41PM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > I see this as at least a redundancy, if not a problem. First, let's > > look at the general case. An optional "UI" (User Interface) is also > > selected... > > * via the "tools" useflag 78 times

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Wed, Jun 01, 2016 at 05:29:55PM +0300, Mart Raudsepp wrote > It is meant as a feature based USE flag, as opposed to the "extra dep" > based USE flags we've been using for this. > There are a lot of those with USE=gtk right now. In many cases it's > some little add-on graphical utility for a lib

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] How to deal with LINGUAS mess?

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 02:58:03PM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > On Sat, 21 May 2016 11:19:07 -0400 > waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > 5. An reversed variant of INSTALL_MASK in make.conf, e.g. > > LOCALE_ALLOW="foo bar fubar" > > > > which would block installing files in /usr/share/locale/* and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gtk/gtk2/gtk3 USE flag situation

all GNOME > libraries as well, but most of them only provide gtk3 now, as gtk2 is, > well, dead. What at the original gtk+, for which the "gtk" flag was probably originally invented? [i3][waltdnes][~] ls /usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/*.ebuild /usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-1.2.10-r

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] How to deal with LINGUAS mess?

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote > I see the following possibilities: > > 1. We start explicitly listing linguas_* in all ebuilds, no matter how > tiny they are. Maintainers are required to keep IUSE up-to-date > and users are forced to rebuild a lot. This is also a Q

Re: [gentoo-dev] What is the procedure for requesting a new eselect module?

On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 04:17:06PM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote > >>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2016, waltdnes wrote: > > > I've cobbled together a bash script that resembles an eselect > > module, to list/set cpu speeds on my netbook and notebook. It may be &g

[gentoo-dev] What is the procedure for requesting a new eselect module?

I've cobbled together a bash script that resembles an eselect module, to list/set cpu speeds on my netbook and notebook. It may be useful to a lot of other people. The script is a bit ugly looking, but it has done the job for me for several months. Some may prefer to treat it as "proof of conc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder: ALLARCHES

On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 04:05:50PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > On 04/05/16 03:43 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > > emerge --keyword-write > > > > ... similar to "emerge --autounmask-write", but have it write to > > package.accept_keywords, rather than package.unmask? > > > > That wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder: ALLARCHES

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 09:46:10PM -0700, Matt Turner wrote > On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > >> The solution is to have people with an actual interest in a specific > >> architecture determine whether stabilising a p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is X86 uclibc environment supported?

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 04:04:46PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote > On 5/2/16 2:37 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:37:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > >> On 29/04/16 09:34 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > >>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 08:19:53PM -0400, Anthony G.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is X86 uclibc environment supported?

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:37:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > On 29/04/16 09:34 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 08:19:53PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote > > > >> 1) i support uclibc across many arches. see > >> > >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is X86 uclibc environment supported?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 08:19:53PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote > 1) i support uclibc across many arches. see > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_uClibc > > > 2) you can file uclibc bugs and i will look at them. i know about that > one and i've got the fix upstream. its going

[gentoo-dev] Is X86 uclibc environment supported?

I'm currently trying to get a 32 uclibc environment working in a QEMU VM. My eventual goal is to get my ancient 32-bit-only Atom netbook working under uclibc. Is it worth bothering to file bugs for stuff that builds under glibc, but fails under uclibc? Or should I forget it? If it's not suppo

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 07:11:31AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > > An initramfs is just a secondary bootloader for userspace. I almost > always use them even if I'm just booting a VM with a single partition > on it. If something goes wrong you can fall back to a shell in the > initramfs and it is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: usr merge

On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:18:25PM -0500, »Q« wrote > On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:09:38 -0400 > waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 07:11:31AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > > > > > It was simply a recognition that we were already in a state where > > > booting a system without /usr

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 07:11:31AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > It was simply a recognition that we were already in a state where > booting a system without /usr mounted early can cause problems. For certain edge cases... yes. But they were already using initramfs or merging /usr into /. I'm t

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 11:59:09PM -0400, Damien Levac wrote > > > Seriously... how many people run Bluetooth keyboards on Gentoo > > anyways? > > That you ask such a question is concerning to me. Are we > discriminating against normal desktop users now? Here's the item that really bugs me..

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 04:30:04PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > Half the reason we don't officially support running without /usr > mounted during early boot is that if we actually put everything in / > that could conceivably be needed during early boot we'd end up with > everything there. Bluetoot

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 04:18:58PM -0400, Joseph Booker wrote > > From my own experience, it is useful to run "ifconfig" or "mount" > as a regular user, same as the gimp or firefox commands. Given that > all the commands you listed are in /usr/bin or /bin, I think I'm > not the only one. The diff

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:20:19AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote > > Here is more info about the split and why it exists. It turns out it hs > nothing to do with system admininistration or permissions. > > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html > http://www.osnews.com/s

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 12:15:58AM -0400, Richard Yao wrote > If others are not willing to be advocates for ***THOSE USERS THAT WOULD > ONLY MAKE THEMSELVES KNOWN AFTER AN A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE > AND PEOPLE ARE DETERMINED TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS***, I suggest having > and testing a pla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:09:58AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote > On 09 Feb 2016 22:39, Duncan wrote: > > Mike Frysinger posted on Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:26:52 -0500 as excerpted: > > > On 08 Feb 2016 13:46, Micha?? Górny wrote: > > >> I'm strongly against this, because: > > > > > > agreed. i also do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 03:47:34PM -0800, Daniel Campbell wrote > I think the only people who can rightfully complain about lack of > attention or coverage are those who are using these lesser-known or > lesser-used systems. Maybe we can get some users to step up to the > plate and contribute to t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 08:15:42PM -0500, Alex McWhirter wrote > As far as upstream support for eudev goes, consider that we are > currently breaking out udev for use with openrc. There may still be > loose support for this now, but when udev is not longer able to be > separated from systemd it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFD] Adopt-a-package, proxy-maintenance, and other musings

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:54:01PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote > Please make this optional. Elog already contains too much information > and it is already hard to read logs after world update or other > massive change. It literally takes hours sometimes. Agreed 100%. I filed a successfull bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFD] Adopt-a-package, proxy-maintenance, and other musings

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 07:51:51PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote > On 01/21/2016 05:41 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > > > > Maybe we should start a "gentoo-ebuilds" mailing list to help regular > > users learn the ins and outs of making ebuilds. > > Try gentoo-devhelp@lists.g.o, or the asso

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFD] Adopt-a-package, proxy-maintenance, and other musings

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:45:20PM +0100, Micha?? Górny wrote > On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:25:02 + > Roy Bamford wrote: > > > There is no point in removing unmaintained but perfectly functional > > software from the tree. It needs to be both unmaintained and broken. > > Broken being evidenced by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 06:38:14PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > It will probably be more than a decade before anybody is FORCED to run > systemd on Gentoo. You don't even have to run udev on Gentoo. > > It will probably be years before the default even changes, assuming > the trajectory of system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote > Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're > currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the > features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained > state? openrc-settingsd wa