Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009

2009-06-28 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > Dear god, if you want argue to death do it in private. > But you see, the point is to argue in *public* so that you can show *everyone* who can last the longest in a shouting marathon! -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009

2009-06-28 Thread Alec Warner
Dear god, if you want argue to death do it in private. -A On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Thomas Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:34:48AM +0100, Steven J Long wrote: >> Thomas Anderson wrote: >> >> > Steven J Long wrote: >> >> Denis Dupeyron wrote: >> >> >> >> > This list is for tech

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-06-29

2009-06-28 Thread Luca Barbato
Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I more or less took a week off GSoC for LinuxTag. > It gave me the chance to further spread the ideas > behind Gentoo (and also PackageMap) a bit. I think > that was worth not producing any code during the time. I agree wholeheartedly, you did a lot in the past days eve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo IRC _is_ better than ML ;)

2009-06-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Steven J Long wrote: > Duncan wrote: > >> Wow, joke or not, this is the kind of thing that makes me glad I don't do >> IRC. > Just to answer this quickly, as I think you're querying my earlier assertion > that gentoo IRC is a lot of fun? > > The real point is that o

[gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections - < 44 hours left to vote

2009-06-28 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Hello. This is a remainder that the voting for this Council's election will end at 23:59:59 UTC June 30rd - which means in less than 44 hours. At the moment, we have 101 casted votes which means ~ 41% of attendance. If you haven't voted yet, please hurry to your booth located at woodpecker. You ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
ndrew D Kirch wrote: > Petteri Räty wrote: >> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> > I move that we elect George W Bush and Ciaran McCreesh Council Members > For Life. > Are these people serious? > > Andrew Andrew, I've chosen to reply to this particular mail, but this applies to your other mails in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Petteri Räty wrote: > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Ciaran McCreesh >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530 >>> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed (non-gentoo devs cannot be

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Fri, June 26, 2009 03:13, Andrew D Kirch wrote: > >> Please be quiet. >> > > why ?, maillists is imho made to be used in non silent mode else one could > aswell argue to close it down > > Mailing lists he's been booted from twice for astroturfing and abuse. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:04:14 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > The spirit and the letter of the rules are clear: the electorate can > vote in whoever they want, and council members can appoint whoever they > want so long as no-one has multiple votes at any given meaning.

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-06-29

2009-06-28 Thread Sebastian Pipping
I more or less took a week off GSoC for LinuxTag. It gave me the chance to further spread the ideas behind Gentoo (and also PackageMap) a bit. I think that was worth not producing any code during the time. There is lots of things to do, I'm back at it. Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: > Dale posted 4a47f8e3.8070...@gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:12:35 -0500: > > >> As a long time Gentoo user, I have to ask. Why is that EVERYONE on the >> council must be there or have someone there to represent them? Would >> Gentoo come to a end if one

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-06-28 23h59 UTC

2009-06-28 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-06-28 23h59 UTC. Removals: dev-perl/Module-CoreList2009-06-23 08:40:29 tove Additions: dev-perl/B-Hooks-Parser 2009-06-23 07:33:52

[gentoo-dev] Re: 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Duncan
Dale posted 4a47f8e3.8070...@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:12:35 -0500: > As a long time Gentoo user, I have to ask. Why is that EVERYONE on the > council must be there or have someone there to represent them? Would > Gentoo come to a end if one person or even two people w

[gentoo-dev] Re: 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Duncan
Ferris McCormick posted 20090628221421.1c9f8...@anaconda.krait.us, excerpted below, on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:14:21 +: >> Its my opinion that the concept of proxies in council meetings is >> fatally flawed. >> >> 1. The brief (if any) that the proxy is given by the council member >> being prox

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Dale
Roy Bamford wrote: > > > You agree that common sense can't be used and admit that a corner case > exists that would in effect have the trustees pointing out to the > council that they had made an error of judgement and need to reverse a > decision that the last meeting made. I would prefer never to

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.06.28 23:14, Ferris McCormick wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100 > Roy Bamford wrote: > [snip] > > What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by > > entirely

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Ferris McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 20:46 +0100 schrieb George Prowse: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100 > > George Prowse wrote: > >> > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev- > >> > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100 George Prowse wrote: I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list will endear yourself to everyone. Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Nope, I never mentioned anything personal about you, in fact I can't

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100 George Prowse wrote: > I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list > will endear yourself to everyone. Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing? > Thinking logically for a second, if you really cared about Gentoo you > would have tried yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100 George Prowse wrote: > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev- > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council > meeting. If a doctor loses his right to practice medicine you dont allow him to

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100 George Prowse wrote: > > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev- > > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council > > meeting. > > If a doctor loses his right to practice medicine you dont allow him > to speak on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Alistair Bush wrote: As our closest relative ( of any distro ) You mean apart from all the other Gentoo based distros?

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread George Prowse
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect gentoofan23, betelgeuse, dev-zero, peper, calchan and dertobi123 to the Gentoo Council. Why is Exherbo's interests anything to do with Gentoo's? Does this happen with Sabayon or SystemRescueCd

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 21:35 +0530 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: > > Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it > > doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think. > > > > I would like to make a stand for mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 16:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot > > wrote: > > > > T

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: > Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it > doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think. > I would like to make a stand for more usage of common sense and "wisdom" in interpretation of rules. It more ofte

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote: > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot > wrote: > > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been > booted > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2009-06-28 Thread Markos Chandras
> Following packages are looking for new maintainers: > > - app-laptop/omnibook - not much work, I don't have a laptop requiring I am using it for my laptop so I will take it Thanks -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sunrise/Sound] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009

2009-06-28 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:34:48AM +0100, Steven J Long wrote: > Thomas Anderson wrote: > > > Steven J Long wrote: > >> Denis Dupeyron wrote: > >> > >> > This list is for technical discussions only. > >> I look forward to the day when that actually happens, and we are not > >> regaled with countl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2009-06-28 Thread Theo Chatzimichos
On Sunday 28 June 2009 14:50:05 Krzysiek Pawlik wrote: > Following packages are looking for new maintainers: > > - app-laptop/omnibook - not much work, I don't have a laptop requiring > this - kde-misc/kdmtheme - I hope it will go away with KDE 3.5.x - kde > team? - sys-power/hibernate-script - 2

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2009-06-28 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Following packages are looking for new maintainers: - app-laptop/omnibook - not much work, I don't have a laptop requiring this - kde-misc/kdmtheme - I hope it will go away with KDE 3.5.x - kde team? - sys-power/hibernate-script - 2 open bugs, rare releases -- Krzysiek Pawlik key id: 0x

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Zhang Le
On 11:41 Fri 26 Jun , Richard Freeman wrote: > However, those who have questioned the wisdom of cirianm as a proxy do > have a point. Technical knowledge alone is not the critiera of a > council member. One needs to be able to build consensus - not that we > need to be strangled by cons

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-28 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted > > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes > > disqualify the involved council me