Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 16:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot<yng...@gentoo.org> > > wrote: > > > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been > > booted > > > > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes > > > > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that > > position. > > > > > > As Petteri noted it's not obvious that GLEP39 disallows choosing a > > > non-dev as proxy for a council meeting. I haven't talked to > > Tiziano, > > > and I don't know what he had in mind when he chose ciaranm as his > > > proxy, but I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to > > > experiment. > > Well, it was surely not an experiment to see whether someone must be > > a > > dev or not to be a proxy. Based on GLEP 39 it was fairly clear to me > > this must not be the case and I at least expected the council to > > accept > > him (or any other non-dev) at least for that meeting. > > > [snip] > > -- > > Tiziano Müller > > Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member > > Areas of responsibility: > > Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor > > E-Mail : dev-z...@gentoo.org > > GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5 4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30 > > > > Its my opinion that the concept of proxies in council meetings is > fatally flawed.
As I stated in at least one mail before (and in countless discussions on IRC): I'd like to see the proxy-concept being removed since it is flawed as you point out below and replaced with something like "a council member may miss N meetings with M of them without prior notice" And then remove that slacker mark as well and just say: "if you miss more than those N meetings or miss M meetings without prior notice you get kicked". And for those who like the slacker mark to see who has missed a lot of meetings or missed meetings repeatedly we could have a statistics summary on proj/en/council with the number of missed meetings per member. Cheers, Tiziano > 1. The brief (if any) that the proxy is given by the council member > being proxied is never made public. > > 2. Its never clear if the proxy is voting as instructed by the council > member or as they see fit at the time. > > What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by > entirely by non gentoo developer proxies? > Unlikely, but perfectly possible under GLEP39. Would Gentoo feel bound > by decisions that such a meeting reached? > > Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it > doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think. > > Lastly, as a trustee and partly legally responsible for decisions made > on behalf of Gentoo, I am uneasy with the concept of non developers > making those decisions. Now reread my 'what if' above with that > liability in mind. > > Note: Other trustees may have a different view of the world > > - -- > Regards, > > Roy Bamford > (NeddySeagoon) a member of > gentoo-ops > forum-mods > treecleaners > trustees > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkpHjtYACgkQTE4/y7nJvavn9gCgt5tw0IaT8GRdh2w0nY+RskZF > H2YAoMgphYWUOp4bVMl8TWp0Qy1nTzjI > =aR8L > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Tiziano Müller Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member Areas of responsibility: Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor E-Mail : dev-z...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5 4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30
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