Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot<yng...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted > > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes > > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that position. > > As Petteri noted it's not obvious that GLEP39 disallows choosing a > non-dev as proxy for a council meeting. I haven't talked to Tiziano, > and I don't know what he had in mind when he chose ciaranm as his > proxy, but I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to > experiment. Well, it was surely not an experiment to see whether someone must be a dev or not to be a proxy. Based on GLEP 39 it was fairly clear to me this must not be the case and I at least expected the council to accept him (or any other non-dev) at least for that meeting.
When I had to choose a proxy I basically went through the list of people I worked together and from which I know their opinions and they know mine. That would have been: dertobi123 and maekke, one a council member already, the other one unavailable at the time I looked for a proxy. Then there was tanderson who wasn't sure whether he has to proxy for another council member already and ciaranm who was present in most meetings, knows my opinion, can distinguish between his opinion and mine and worked on EAPI-3. I'm sorry when I offended some council members and other developers with that decision but guessing from the last discussions on #-council between Ciaran and other council members I really didn't expect such an animosity. For the claim that Exherbo-people undercut Gentoo: I don't care about what someone is doing in their freetime. I would also accept an Ubuntu dev, a Red Hat developer, drobbins or even Bill Gates as a council member if they'd invest enough time in Gentoo. I personally don't care about Exherbo, I'm neither a dev nor a user and the same thing goes for Funtoo. If nothing bad happens I will organize the booth again at the next Open Expo in September (hopefully together with dertobi123 and maekke), investing my personal time and money again to show people what Gentoo is about and I will also continue to promote Gentoo/Prefix at the University (where I'm working on a large installation on a big server) and I will continue to use Gentoo for an Embedded Project with hopefully over 3000 deployed systems within the next two years. Furthermore I only care partially about someones past. People change all the time and they deserve more than one chance. If I would show the same averseness to some devs I had fights with in the past as people do to Ciaran I couldn't work with them now. > And experiments sometimes succeed, or sometimes they fail, > but they often teach you something. I wouldn't be as fast as you to > remove Tiziano from the list of people I'd vote for. Thanks :) -- Tiziano Müller Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member Areas of responsibility: Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor E-Mail : dev-z...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5 4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30
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