Re: [gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-27 Thread Jakub Moc
Daniel Drake napsal(a): > I have suggested that herd support for the kernelspace side > (alsa-driver) be slowly reduced, by redirecting users who file bugs > against it to reproduce with the in-kernel drivers, and then let kernel > handle the bug resolution. This will remove duplicated maintenance

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Charlie Shepherd
On 27/03/07, Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please could you reassure us that they can co-exist with portage so that one can be certain that changing to either paludis or pkgcore is not irriversable? Pkgcore can exist just fine alongside portage. -- -Charlie -- gentoo-dev@gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-27 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 21:13 -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > > I have suggested that herd support for the kernelspace side > (alsa-driver) be slowly reduced No complaints here, FYI never used alsa-driver. I have always compiled it in, because rarely do I change sound cards in a machine. Or have the ne

[gentoo-dev] planet / universe updated

2007-03-27 Thread Steve Dibb
I've been putting this of for a long time, but the planet software was finally upgraded. Lemme know if you have any problems with feeds or what not. http://planet.gentoo.org/ http://planet.gentoo.org/universe/ Thanks, Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-27 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, We have some new ALSA maintainers: beandog, chainsaw, phreak (and me helping out to start with) It's of course up to the maintainers to choose how they work, but the recommendations I have laid down have been that they focus on the userspace side: utils, tools, firmware, lib. I have suggest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > both of which were discussed at length the > last time this topic came up... yeah, i think before anyone tries to start contributing to a dscm thread, they search the archives and read the extensive discussions that have happened already -mike

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:30:56 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are plenty of ways of doing that, most of which don't involve > > the huge cost of having to use a horrible version control system... > > I wonder if you would be so kind as to expand on the meaning of your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:38:19 +1200 > > Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Care to suggest a different DSCM system? > > > > > > Care to suggest why the D part is necessary or even useful? It seems > > > like a rather extravagant and c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Michael Krelin
> So far git isn't that bad, I haven't tested monotone that much nor > mercurial. > > Probably we could get some help from upstream if we want to move to it. I think, the nature of most gentoo repositories isn't distributed enough. Switching to subversion should be enough to enable distributed de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > There are plenty of ways of doing that, most of which don't involve the > huge cost of having to use a horrible version control system... > So far git isn't that bad, I haven't tested monotone that much nor mercurial. Probably we could get some help from upstream if w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:38:19 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Care to suggest a different DSCM system? > > > > Care to suggest why the D part is necessary or even useful? It seems > > like a rather extravagant and costly solution to solve one small > > problem... > > To d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:45:46 +1200 > > Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > > > I believe Monotone ( as well as many others ) would d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:45:46 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > > I believe Monotone ( as well as many others ) would do what is > > > wanted. > > > > i simply cannot fully ex

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Michael Krelin
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Christopher Sawtell wrote: >>> I believe Monotone ( as well as many others ) would do what is wanted. >> i simply cannot fully express myself at how terrible monotone is > > Care to suggest a different DSCM system? git? Lo

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:47:35 -0400 "Stephen Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd advise everybody to try paludis and pkgcore to see how the > > > alternatives are faring, I must say that I'm quite surprised by > > > how fast they are. > > Please could you reassure us that they can co-exist

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Luca Barbato
Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Luca Barbato wrote: >> Stuart Longland wrote: >>> Portage itself, does take a long time to load its libraries. I'm yet to >>> try Paludis (I'm one of the few MIPS devs that doesn't use it yet), but >>> do hear good things about it. Perhaps some of

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for dev-util/jcvs and dev-java/j2ssh

2007-03-27 Thread Petteri Räty
# Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (27 Mar 2007) # Last upstream releases a couple of years ago. Not migrated to # generation 2 and there are alternatives: # dev-util/jcvs: dev-util/cvs # dev-java/j2ssh: dev-java/jsch # If you need these packages for something, please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] # and w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > I believe Monotone ( as well as many others ) would do what is wanted. > > i simply cannot fully express myself at how terrible monotone is Care to suggest a different DSCM system? -- CS -- g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-27 Thread Michael Krelin
>>> the werent the same question nor were they the same answer >> They weren't the same, but the second answer was definitely wrong: So is alternative package manager support something that's considered important and a priority by the Council? >>> yes >>> Did you not say that finding

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Lars Weiler
* Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07/03/26 19:44 -0400]: > On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > > Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > > stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 > > actually, i wonder if this would be usefu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:19:29 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > one of Gentoo's priorities is to enable alternative package managers > to coexist sanely ... it is not one of Gentoo's priorities at this > time to replace Portage with a different package manager Do you acknowledge tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > Ned Ludd wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 19:44 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > >>> Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > >>> stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Michael Krelin wrote: > > the werent the same question nor were they the same answer > > They weren't the same, but the second answer was definitely wrong: > > > So is alternative package manager support something that's considered > > > important and a priority by the Coun

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread bret curtis
Ned Ludd wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 19:44 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 Mike, We can't do a full raw mi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 10:28 -0500, Dale wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > > > And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > > down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > > > > > > > Well, we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
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Re: Gentoo infra backups (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract)

2007-03-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 19:44 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > > Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > > stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 > actually, i wonder if this would be useful ...

[gentoo-dev] Last rites dev-java/datavision

2007-03-27 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Last rites for dev-java/datavision Last upstream release was 1.0.0 on November 8, 2005. Recent itext updates have caused datavision to fail during compile. I personally am not interested in patching or updating datavision. It's the only package at the moment that breaks with recent itext updated,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Brown
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:12:17 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have not implemented any policy at the instruction of anyone. > > We have not implemented any policy under the threat of removal of > services. I'm pleased to hear that. To be honest I assumed that was exactly wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] ANN: PMS public release

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:02:06 +0200 Rémi Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am wondering about the FiXmes though. Are they supposed to be > "fixed" for EAPI=0 or are they references for quirky/weird portage > behaviors that should be addressed for newer versions of the portage > spec (and theref

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Stephen Becker
> I'd advise everybody to try paludis and pkgcore to see how the > alternatives are faring, I must say that I'm quite surprised by how fast > they are. Please could you reassure us that they can co-exist with portage so that one can be certain that changing to either paludis or pkgcore is not irri

Re: [gentoo-dev] /lib/rcscripts or /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts?

2007-03-27 Thread Matthias Schwarzott
On Dienstag, 27. März 2007, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > I just realized that there not only doesn't seem to be any consensus > about what the location of /lib/rcscripts should be (as witnessed by > the location where the following packages install > > lib64/rcscripts sys-apps/baselayout-1.13.0_alpha1

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Luca Barbato wrote: > Stuart Longland wrote: > > Portage itself, does take a long time to load its libraries. I'm yet to > > try Paludis (I'm one of the few MIPS devs that doesn't use it yet), but > > do hear good things about it. Perhaps some of the concepts used in > > Palu

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Luca Barbato
Stuart Longland wrote: > Portage itself, does take a long time to load its libraries. I'm yet to > try Paludis (I'm one of the few MIPS devs that doesn't use it yet), but > do hear good things about it. Perhaps some of the concepts used in > Paludis could be applied in portage, in order to speed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > >> Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > >> stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 > > > > actually, i wonder if this

Re: [gentoo-dev] unmasking packages (was Gentoo's problems)

2007-03-27 Thread Stuart Longland
George Prowse wrote: > Caleb Cushing wrote: >> how about providing me a list of packages that are masked instead of >> making me read and unmask them one at a time. > That pretty much defeats the object of them being masked in the first place > > So all you can really come up with is speed? If a p