Re: Reuse Maven repository more

2016-09-30 Thread Stephen Connolly
On Friday 30 September 2016, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > 28. 9. 2016 v 11:25, Greg Stein >: > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jaroslav Tulach < > jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com > >> wrote: > >> ... > > > >> One idea that keeps puzzlin

Re: Reuse Maven repository more

2016-09-30 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
28. 9. 2016 v 11:25, Greg Stein : > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jaroslav Tulach > wrote: >> ... > >> One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven >> repository >> more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > There are also the [3rd party binaries used during NetBeans build](http:// > hg.netbeans.org/binaries/) - most of them available from Maven central. I > already [created a patch](http://hg.netbeans.org/releases/rev/3178d0a561c8) to > allow

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > ...more later when we get to an incubator... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Wade Chandler
On Sep 28, 2016 5:55 AM, "Sven Reimers" wrote: > > > 2. Use Maven repository as storahe backend for the plugin portal, so that > only the metadata is hosted at the portal not the module binaries.. > I think the terminology here is key. A "storage backend" f

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Sven Reimers
Hi, if I understood Jaroslav correct he is proposing two changes 1. Download 3rd party binaries needed to build NetBeans from a maven repository (maven central, jcenter or if you behinf corporate firewalls a synced self hosted repo using nexus or artifactory) 2. Use Maven repository as storahe

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: >... > One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven > repository > more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central is > operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased" to th

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
l have to find other people willing to > > host this. > > Hi. > One idea that keeps puzzling in my mind is to reuse central Maven > repository > more than we used to. If I understand correctly while the Maven central is > operated by Sonatype, it is just "leased"

Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
ows how to produce Maven artifacts and there is a NetBeans Maven repository: http://bits.netbeans.org/nexus/content/groups/netbeans/ In addition to that we could modify the http://plugins.netbeans.org to be just a catalog over bits available in Maven central. There are also the [3rd party binaries us

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-17 Thread Michael Wu
No, Henry, I'm not blocked by it although having another issue, let's talk about it in another thread. Thanks. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:13 AM, Henry Saputra wrote: > Michael, > > Both issues are closed. Are you still blocked with the repo for eagle > creation? > > - Henry > > On Sun, Aug 14, 20

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-16 Thread Henry Saputra
Michael, Both issues are closed. Are you still blocked with the repo for eagle creation? - Henry On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Michael Wu wrote: > Got it, John, i'll take notice. Thanks. Sorry for the spam. > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:22 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > Michael, > > > >

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-14 Thread Michael Wu
Got it, John, i'll take notice. Thanks. Sorry for the spam. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:22 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Michael, > > Your best bet is to ping infra. If email doesn't work, hopping on to > hipchat with them may work. > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact > > John > > On Sun, Aug

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-14 Thread John D. Ament
Michael, Your best bet is to ping infra. If email doesn't work, hopping on to hipchat with them may work. http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact John On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:15 PM Michael Wu wrote: > Hi Jake, > > Could you please help on this case? There are some required dependencies > b

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-14 Thread Michael Wu
Hi Jake, Could you please help on this case? There are some required dependencies blocked. Thanks. Michael On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Michael Wu wrote: > Hi Jake, > > Tickets created: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12409 > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12410

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-10 Thread Michael Wu
Hi Jake, Tickets created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12409 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12410 Thanks for helping it out. Michael On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Jake Farrell wrote: > Your user will have to get added to nexus, can you please put in an infra >

Re: Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-08 Thread Jake Farrell
Your user will have to get added to nexus, can you please put in an infra ticket for this -Jake On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Michael Wu wrote: > Hi there, > > My apache account is "mw". > > I was trying to use > > $> mvn -Papache-release -DskipTests -Dgpg.passphrase=${GPG_PASSPHRASE} >

Could you grant me the access to upload eagle's artifacts to maven repository?

2016-08-07 Thread Michael Wu
Hi there, My apache account is "mw". I was trying to use $> mvn -Papache-release -DskipTests -Dgpg.passphrase=${GPG_PASSPHRASE} deploy to upload eagle's jars to https://repository.apache.org/ service/local/staging/deploy/maven2, but it always returned 400 error, as below fragment: *

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-25 Thread Ate Douma
Thanks for the reply Brian, this is much relief. However in your initial response your wording clearly indicated the new policy already being enforced, up to: "[...] your artifacts will end up blocked." A little less restrictive description could have prevented this misunderstanding... I think

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-24 Thread Brian Fox
>> Interesting. That's news to me... You have a pointer to more information? > As it turns out, almost all references to external repositories in poms are junk or turn out to be junk after a bit of time. See here for some examples: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2010/03/why-external-repos-are-bein

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-23 Thread Ate Douma
On 03/23/2010 01:01 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: On Mar 20, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Brian Fox wrote: At the Central repository we are restricting the inclusion of external repositories because this generally creates a mess. This is being enforced on new artifacts coming in so I would recommend you do not

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-22 Thread Kevan Miller
On Mar 20, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Brian Fox wrote: > At the Central repository we are restricting the inclusion of external > repositories because this generally creates a mess. This is being > enforced on new artifacts coming in so I would recommend you do not > add them or your artifacts themselves

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-22 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
We are having the same problem in Clerezza, one of the dependencies that isn't in the central repo is sesame 2 [1]. I think we have the following options: - not include the sesame backend in the default distribution (users who need it would have to compile it their selves of download it from elsew

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-20 Thread Brian Fox
At the Central repository we are restricting the inclusion of external repositories because this generally creates a mess. This is being enforced on new artifacts coming in so I would recommend you do not add them or your artifacts themselves will end up blocked. A better choice is to encourage the

Re: Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-08 Thread Toni Menzel
I don't know of any apache policy regarding external repositories but i usual don't recommend placing repositories into the POM at all. Best practice is to use a repository manager and add the repositories there. So, i am not sure how Apache Hudson is configured currently, but i would suggest conne

Third party Maven Repository Usage

2010-03-08 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi; Is there any rule/policy for using third-party maven repositories in our project poms? Recently, we have required to list some repositories in settings.xml (for example: jboss) to our codebase built correctly. But when Apache-Hudson runs to built daily, it throws errors because of not finding

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-17 Thread Brett Porter
mer requirements) to the central Maven repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-17 Thread Jason van Zyl
unless anyone wants to propose an alternative policy. See revision 704280. It is now OK for podlings to deploy approved releases (that satisfy the labeling and disclaimer requirements) to the central Maven repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository. BR, Jukka Z

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Will Glass-Husain
evision 704280. > > It is now OK for podlings to deploy approved releases (that satisfy > the labeling and disclaimer requirements) to the central Maven > repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository. > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > --

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting
for podlings to deploy approved releases (that satisfy the labeling and disclaimer requirements) to the central Maven repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[jira] Resolved: (INCUBATOR-82) Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting (JIRA)
-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200809.mbox/<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository > --- > > Key: INCUBATOR-82 >

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, unless within a week from now we start seeing constructive efforts > at forming an alternative policy (or clarifying the current > undocumented policy) that we could vote on, I will declare this vote > as passing an

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-07 Thread Jason van Zyl
The central repository is not an Apache project's resource. We've always discussed issues of the central repository in private (except for technical details of syncing other project repositories) and as far as policy goes it's the Maven PMC that will sets it. Members can see the list and w

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Jason van Zyl wrote: The central repository is the Maven PMC's business. What results will be public policy but we'd like to avoid the banter of the misinformed so we can arrive at a decision quickly. I'd love to avoid the banter of the misinformed too, but that's not the way Apache projects

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-06 Thread Jason van Zyl
org). Nexus, or the Nexus CLI tool, produces a Lucene index which Nexus uses to create a federated searching and retrieval mechanism. One instance of Nexus can proxy any other Maven repository -- a repository manager or normal webserver -- and with the presence of the Nexus index allows fe

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The central repository is the Maven PMC's business. What results will be > public policy but we'd like to avoid the banter of the misinformed so we can > arrive at a decision quickly. Yes, although the PMC is expected to d

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-06 Thread Jason van Zyl
The central repository is the Maven PMC's business. What results will be public policy but we'd like to avoid the banter of the misinformed so we can arrive at a decision quickly. On 6-Oct-08, at 10:22 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: The discussions are taking place on the

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-06 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a slight majority (of binding votes) for accepting the > proposed change, but given the clear lack of consensus and the > concerns voiced about that, I unfortunately need to conclude that this > issue should be

RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-06 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jason van Zyl wrote: > The discussions are taking place on the Maven PMC list. If you are a > member you can join the list. Why are those discussions taking place on a private, closed, list instead of an open one? --- Noel --

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Color me confused again, but during setup and formation of the Incubator, > a podling had to graduate before doing a release. It was rather well > established before this rule was modified, but it seems that this ch

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-04 Thread Jason van Zyl
The discussions are taking place on the Maven PMC list. If you are a member you can join the list. On 4-Oct-08, at 8:31 AM, Gilles Scokart wrote: 2008/10/3 Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 2-Oct-08, at 9:19 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Better a bad decision th

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-04 Thread Gilles Scokart
2008/10/3 Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 2-Oct-08, at 9:19 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > >> Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: >> >>> Better a bad decision than no decision, otherwise, soon, nobody will >>> vote anymore... >> >> Not really. Consider that there appears to be a clear consensus that

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> Jukka Zitting wrote: > >>> Does the ASF "endorse" these releases, and what does that endorsement mean? > >> yes... > > You are talking about a legal licensing matter, whereas discussion during the > setup and formation of the Incubator

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-03 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 2-Oct-08, at 9:19 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Better a bad decision than no decision, otherwise, soon, nobody will vote anymore... Not really. Consider that there appears to be a clear consensus that if Maven were to fix the download situation, requiring that u

RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > Better a bad decision than no decision, otherwise, soon, nobody will > vote anymore... Not really. Consider that there appears to be a clear consensus that if Maven were to fix the download situation, requiring that users approve the user of Incubator artifacts, rather

RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: > > This is a slight majority (of binding votes) for accepting the > > proposed change, but given the clear lack of consensus and the > > concerns voiced about that, I unfortunately need to conclude that this > > issue should be tabled until bette

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-26 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:55 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Matthieu Riou wrote: > > > > I've also looked at the mentors votes, those who are basically running > this > > place. I'm a small player but Craig mentors 6 poddlings, Jim, Henning and > > Jukka 4 and Doug 3. I'm not

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-26 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Matthieu Riou wrote: > > I've also looked at the mentors votes, those who are basically running this > place. I'm a small player but Craig mentors 6 poddlings, Jim, Henning and > Jukka 4 and Doug 3. I'm not saying their votes count more than others, just > that when those people disagree, we shoul

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-26 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Niall Pemberton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If this vote doesn't pass then we need to re-write the rules to > > define how much of a majority overturns the status quo. > > I'm

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-26 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If this vote doesn't pass then we need to re-write the rules to > define how much of a majority overturns the status quo. I'm following http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html and the express wish of our PMC c

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-26 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the crux of the issue. > Do releases from the Incubator project differ from those of other projects? The people who created the Incubator should be able to answer this question. IMHO (I didn't vote), what we all t

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-25 Thread David Crossley
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > > > > [snip] > >> I liked the way you put the question; it's not up to incubator project to > >> set the rules for Maven. If the maven PMC decides that these incubator > >> releases don't belong in the primary r

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:21 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: > >> Of which we have two; released, or not released, and that's a product > >> of oversight and a [VOTE]. There are no magical in-betweens. > > > > As evidenced by this vote this is hardly the

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
David Crossley wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > > [snip] >> I liked the way you put the question; it's not up to incubator project to >> set the rules for Maven. If the maven PMC decides that these incubator >> releases don't belong in the primary repository, that's their call. But >> this

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread David Crossley
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: > > [snip] > > > Are incubating releases official releases of the ASF? > > Yes. Otherwise they must be removed from ASF servers. > There's no middle ground. > [snip] > > > How strong disclaimers are needed and what level of explicit > > ackn

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Niall Pemberton wrote: This is a slight majority (of binding votes) for accepting the proposed change, but given the clear lack of consensus and the concerns voiced about that, I unfortunately need to conclude that this issue should be tabled until better consensus is reached. If this was

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Niall Pemberton
oesn't pass then we need to re-write the rules to define how much of a majority overturns the status quo. Perhaps two thrids, perhaps no negative votes. If this policy isn't implemented, then I think all the people who voted +1 at least deserve a definition of how short we fell of passin

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jukka Zitting wrote: >> Of which we have two; released, or not released, and that's a product >> of oversight and a [VOTE]. There are no magical in-betweens. > > As evidenced by this vote this is hardly the consensus. See comments > like "incubating releases to be treated as full Apache releases"

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Doug Cutting
Jukka Zitting wrote: There is clearly a widely held feeling that incubating releases are different than "normal" ASF releases. This is the crux of the issue. I fail to see how they are fundamentally different. Releases and the release process is one of the most standardized things in the AS

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Jukka Zitting
t;> The main impression I got from the related discussion is that the main >> concern is not that much the security or transparency of the Maven >> repository but rather the status of incubating releases in general. > > Of which we have two; released, or not released, and that&#x

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
ight, it's clear they were. RAT and other methodologies helped us validate the legal aspects of the ASF releases to the point that this is not uncomfortable anymore. > The main impression I got from the related discussion is that the main > concern is not that much the security or trans

[RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-24 Thread Jukka Zitting
m users is required? Until we have a clearer policy on what we actually require of incubating releases and their distribution, it seems premature to debate whether the Maven repository meets those requirements. So, before reopening this release distribution issue, I would expect us to clarify the p

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jukka Zitting wrote: > > I extended the vote "for another week", which IMHO clearly puts the > endpoint to this morning. As such, I will be closing the vote in a few > hours. :) Sounds great - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:45 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: >> Please vote on accepting or rejecting this policy change! This >> majority vote is open for a week and only votes from the Incubator PMC >> members are binding. > > Just as a point of ref

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jukka Zitting wrote: > Please vote on accepting or rejecting this policy change! This > majority vote is open for a week and only votes from the Incubator PMC > members are binding. Just as a point of reference, extending a vote for a given period of time is a good thing to accommodate all input.

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Doug Cutting wrote: > > +1 All releases by ASF PMC's should be equal. If the Incubator PMC > isn't confident of a release then it shouldn't release it. The release > process should not just check legal concerns, but also the quality of > the code and its community. A responsible PMC should not

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread James Carman
g wrote: >> >> [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central >> Maven repository >> [ ] -1 No, keep the current policy > > +1 All releases by ASF PMC's should be equal. If the Incubator PMC isn't > confident of a release then it shou

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Assaf Arkin
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: >> >> [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central >> Maven repository >> [ ] -1 No, keep the current policy > > +1 All release

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Doug Cutting
Will Glass-Husain wrote: It's very tempting to allow it, but in the end too dangerous to facilitate downloads that are hidden from the end user and may be undesireable. Folks using Maven are already getting "hidden" downloads. Why are incubating releases any more dangerous? Is the bar any lo

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Will Glass-Husain
WILL On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: > >> [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central >> Maven repository >> [ ] -1 No, keep the current policy >> > > +1 All rele

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Doug Cutting
Jukka Zitting wrote: [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository [ ] -1 No, keep the current policy +1 All releases by ASF PMC's should be equal. If the Incubator PMC isn't confident of a release then it shouldn't release it. The r

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Upayavira
gt; >> With Maven, it is too easy to depend on a release with transitive > >> dependencies on incubating releases without even knowing it. When > >> the incubating release subsequently is abandoned, blame will be > >> cast widely, including Apache itself. &

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
dependencies on incubating releases can be resolved by explicitly adding an incubating Maven repository into your settings, I don't think that wide, mirrored, distribution is warranted. Craig On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:34 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, We've had a number of long discuss

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-22 Thread Paul Querna
adding an incubating Maven repository into your settings, I don't think that wide, mirrored, distribution is warranted. Craig On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:34 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects using the central Maven rep

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Users who would care about "incubating" disclaimers will > find those via Maven too. Users who don't care will ignore > them no matter what you do. You can't force users to care. Although I agree with your standpoint, your

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-21 Thread Roland Weber
cheers, Roland Jukka Zitting wrote: I would like to finally resolve the issue one way or another Until somebody on the other way reopens it in a few months ;-( [ ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository [ ] -1 No

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:41 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the hash is not security, it's not terribly important, eh? Hashes are a perfect tool for verifying message integrity. They won't prove origin like signatures do, but verifiable integrity is hardly *not*

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Hiram Chirino wrote: Agreed. I never argued against this. But I fail to see the point? Are you saying initial trust is hard to secure? I totally agree on that point. You have any solutions? Yes. You sign your package locally, never on the remote system. The ASF hardware must never have y

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:57 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Hiram Chirino wrote: >> >> >> >> So the responsibility is still on us, the u

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
Trust me I'm not trying to be difficult.. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:53 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiram, I wish you would desist already from debating positions that you > can't defend... > > Hiram Chirino wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread sebb
On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hiram Chirino wrote: > >> > >> So the responsibility is still on us, the upstream distributor, to > >> verify the the checksums we list in our sour

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-18 Thread Thomas Fischer
0. There were good reasons for both sides. Regards, Thomas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Hiram, I wish you would desist already from debating positions that you can't defend... Hiram Chirino wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So the responsibility is still on us, the upstream distributor,

RE: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Brian E. Fox
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: >> >> > Thus: >> >> > If the central maven repository maintainers (Maven PMC) decide to put >> >&

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:59 AM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Willi

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
Right.. It's part of the source distro or SVN. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The checksums are _not_ downloaded from the Maven reposit

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiram Chirino wrote: >> >> So the responsibility is still on us, the upstream distributor, to >> verify the the checksums we list in our source distro are correct. >> But at least by doing this, down stream users of

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The checksums are _not_ downloaded from the Maven repository. > > So where are they stored? For example in our svn or signed source release packages. Along with the source code.

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread sebb
> > Using Hiram's plugin the checksums are already stored in the project > that you're building and which you typically got either by checking it > out of svn or by downloading a source release, both of which are > separate from the Maven repository. > > Once you&#x

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread sebb
On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:59 AM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > S

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Jukka Zitting
ot either by checking it out of svn or by downloading a source release, both of which are separate from the Maven repository. Once you've confident that the sources you have are not compromised, the included checksums will verify that the dependencies that were downloaded by Maven are also v

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Matthieu Riou
; > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > > >> > Thus: > > >> > If the central maven repository maintainers (Maven PMC) decide to > pu

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Hiram Chirino wrote: So the responsibility is still on us, the upstream distributor, to verify the the checksums we list in our source distro are correct. But at least by doing this, down stream users of our source distros can rest assured that the dependencies that they are using are the correc

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Hiram Chirino
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:59 AM, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Similarly, the issue of signature validation is a significant flaw which >>

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
p 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: >> >> > Thus: >> >> > If the central maven repository maintainers (Maven PMC) decide to put >> >> > incubator arti

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Daniel Kulp
Then they wouldn't want it. :-) Dan > > thanks, > dims > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > >> > Thus: > >> > If th

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: >> > Thus: >> > If the central maven repository maintainers (Maven PMC) decide to put >> > incubator artifacts into their repository without a click throu

Re: [DISCUSS] Alternative proposition [Was: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Matthieu Riou
the two positions and found a better consensus. > > Here is what the 2 camps say: > +1 : say: >- We can not forbid the incubator artefact to be published in the > maven repository. Once an incubating release is done, anyone is free > to redistribute it. >- It

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-18 Thread Bruce Snyder
On Thu, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:34 AM, "Jukka Zitting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects > using the central Maven repository to distribute their releases. The > current policy is that incuba

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 8:05:40 pm Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > > Thus: > > If the central maven repository maintainers (Maven PMC) decide to put > > incubator artifacts into their repository without a click through "this > > is incubator code" discla

Re: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-18 Thread sebb
On 18/09/2008, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Similarly, the issue of signature validation is a significant flaw which > > I also hope maven addresses even more promptly, and which they are aware

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