Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-10-01 Thread Kevan Miller
On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 29 September 2008 12:08:52 pm Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Agreed. We've done this before and i bring it up yet a

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2008 12:08:52 pm Kevan Miller wrote: >> On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: >> > Agreed. We've done this before and i bring it up yet again :) >> > >> > Geronimo PMC used Yoko, Yoko fa

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-29 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Monday 29 September 2008 12:08:52 pm Kevan Miller wrote: > On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Agreed. We've done this before and i bring it up yet again :) > > > > Geronimo PMC used Yoko, Yoko failed, they ended up absorbing most of > > the code. > > I wouldn't call Yoko *f

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-29 Thread Kevan Miller
On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Agreed. We've done this before and i bring it up yet again :) Geronimo PMC used Yoko, Yoko failed, they ended up absorbing most of the code. I wouldn't call Yoko *failed*. It didn't generate enough interest to go TLP, but did become a

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Doug. We don't need explicit disclaimers. We can > encourage them however to mention it somewhere appropriate. > +1. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Matthieu > > thanks, > dims > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I agree with Doug. We don't need explicit disclaimers. We can encourage them however to mention it somewhere appropriate. thanks, dims On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Upayavira wrote: >> >> Exactly. I was writing something much the same. We could even re

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Doug Cutting
Upayavira wrote: Exactly. I was writing something much the same. We could even require TLP projects that have incubating dependencies to include a statement in their releases to that effect: "Should any of our incubating dependencies fail incubation, we (the TLP) will take responsibility for that

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We could even require TLP projects that have incubating dependencies > to include a statement in their releases to that effect: "Should any > of our incubating dependencies fail incubation, we (the TLP) will take > respon

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread sebb
On 26/09/2008, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 22:40 +0200, Jukka Zitting wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here's another angle to the incubating release issue. We already > > discussed this lately in relation to Apache FtpServer and the > > JSecurity podling, see http://mar

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 22:40 +0200, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > Here's another angle to the incubating release issue. We already > discussed this lately in relation to Apache FtpServer and the > JSecurity podling, see http://markmail.org/message/g23r7rvwvbzbn47z. > Some of the comments I found t

Re: Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Agreed. We've done this before and i bring it up yet again :) Geronimo PMC used Yoko, Yoko failed, they ended up absorbing most of the code. -- dims On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Here's another angle to the incubating release issue. We alread

Incubator dependencies in Apache projects

2008-09-26 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Here's another angle to the incubating release issue. We already discussed this lately in relation to Apache FtpServer and the JSecurity podling, see http://markmail.org/message/g23r7rvwvbzbn47z. Some of the comments I found troubling were "You will probably not release this code to an unsuspe