On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
>
> > > That seems reasonable since it removes any motivation for
> > > "investigati
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> > That seems reasonable since it removes any motivation for
> > "investigation" and is likely to be very rare.
>
> I don't think there is a good way for people to
On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i can understand the reluctance to add employment details but it
doesn't have to be a dayjob CV if that's uncomfortable. this would
help to IPMC to be able to draw
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Carl Trieloff wrote:
Thanks for the input -- we will be back :-)
At this point we have decided to abandon the vote
Carl, I do hope that the community is taking this in a positive manner. I
sincerely believe that the majority of us are actually very pleased with the
QPi
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i can understand the reluctance to add employment details but it
> doesn't have to be a dayjob CV if that's uncomfortable. this would
> help to IPMC to be able to draw on useful information without this
> rather
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the input -- we will be back :-)
great :-)
(after reading the entire thread, i was very close to +1'ing)
> > At this point we have decided to abandon the vote
>
> Carl, I do hop
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
>
> This statement convinces me that you are an independent committer on
> the project. I think it would be good for everyone on the qpid project
> who consider themselves to be independent to post a simila
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Martijn Dashorst
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/26/08, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I concur. The text should be corrected. There is no need, and every
> reason not,
> > to discourage anyone from voting.
+1
> I agree. In fact we try to e
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Marnie McCormack
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
>
> If I have understood correctly the legal process which we've followed to
> join the Apache project, then I am 'legally independent' as are several of
> the other Qpid committers under discussion, as I have si
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Carl,
>
> I understand. Please do keep up the good work and continue turning users
> into devs. that's what counts end of the day
> and that's what's exactly we l
On 3/26/08, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I concur. The text should be corrected. There is no need, and every reason
> not,
> to discourage anyone from voting.
I agree. In fact we try to encourage our non-committer community
members to participate in votes, though perhaps the tex
Carl Trieloff wrote:
> Thanks for the input -- we will be back :-)
> At this point we have decided to abandon the vote
Carl, I do hope that the community is taking this in a positive manner. I
sincerely believe that the majority of us are actually very pleased with the
QPid community, but are al
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific
> > thing. However, the basic rule is that only PMC members have binding
> > votes, and all others are either discouraged from voting (to keep the
> > noise down) or else hav
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS
Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
-1
Agreeing with Dan Kulp, Robert, Dims, et al. I encourage QPid to keep
going, and am happy with its progress, but would like to see addi
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
No, committers *don't* have binding votes:
Binding Votes
Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific
thing. However, the basic rule is that only PMC members have binding
votes, and all others are either discouraged from voting (to keep the
noise dow
> That is a little misleading. Committers can and do have binding votes.
> However, there are some things such as releases that must have PMC
> binding votes.
Binding decisions are made by PMC members. Votes on new Committers, new PMC
Members, and new Releases, all decided by each PMC.
-
Hi Rupert,
This statement convinces me that you are an independent committer on
the project. I think it would be good for everyone on the qpid project
who consider themselves to be independent to post a similar statement.
I'd probably go further, and ask that the statements be included in
TED]> wrote:
> Changing subject to match ...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 22:16
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WA
I don't mean to be secretive so I shall clarify things for you. I have
provided consultancy to JPMC and this did relate to Qpid, particularly
helping some of their teams to get set up with it. However, I have never
been covered by a corporate CLA but signed it as an individual contributor.
This was
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Martijn Dashorst
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/25/08, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was under the impression that it was the committership that was
> > looked at, not the PPMC. Am I misreading "The project is not highly
> > dependent on a
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 25/03/2008, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the
> IRS :-)
>
> In that case I would claim that I am also independent. Although I work
>
On 25/03/2008, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the IRS
> > :-)
In that case I would claim that I am also independent. Although I work
for JPMC I am not paid to work on the Qpid project and all my
contributions for the
On 25/03/2008, Yonik Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rupert is the only committer, and he looks like he may have a JPMC
> affiliation to me.
> Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the IRS :-)
>
> I'm more concerned about the misleading statements on committer
> div
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Over
> the course of the project we have received large contributions from at
> least 3+ legally independents. They include Rupert Smith (.NET),
> Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases), Tomas Restrepo (.NET).
Ru
BTW: found this description at: http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
On 3/25/08, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, committers *don't* have binding votes:
>
> Binding Votes
>
> Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific
> thing. However, the basic
On Monday 24 March 2008, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> > Huh? The graduation guide says "there are at least 3 legally
> > independent committers" and I don't see that with Qpid.
>
> Dan,
>
> I think it has been proved that there are at least 3 legally
> independent committers - please
> can you revise yo
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Rupert Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not
> an employee of either RedHat
> or JPMC.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02323.html
I've done the independent contractor thing for
No, committers *don't* have binding votes:
Binding Votes
Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific
thing. However, the basic rule is that only PMC members have binding
votes, and all others are either discouraged from voting (to keep the
noise down) or else have their vote
On 3/25/08, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was under the impression that it was the committership that was
> looked at, not the PPMC. Am I misreading "The project is not highly
> dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally
> independent committers and there is
Guillaume
That is a little misleading. Committers can and do have binding votes.
However, there are some things such as releases that must have PMC
binding votes.
Paul
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Guillaume Nodet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The "project" means the people that can vote and m
The "project" means the people that can vote and make decisions.
Committers who are not PMC members can not as their vote is not binding.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Martijn Dashorst
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Martijn Dashorst
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is not a question of who is active on the list, but how the
> PMC/committership looks like at graduation. All the names you supplied
> are *not* on the PMC, and therefore don't count for the diversity
> requireme
On 3/25/08, Rajith Attapattu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we had the following folks who made large contributions.
>
> Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases)
> Tomas Restrepo (.NET)
>
> Kevin Smith (TLS)
> Bupendra (Mgt console)
>
> Tomas who was voted in as a committer has mentioned his
>
> > I see no reason why we shouldn't graduate.
>
> With Rupert, possibly so ... is he really the only one independent from RH
> and JPMC *today*? Are there any others?
>
Noel,
we had the following folks who made large contributions.
Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases)
Tomas Restrepo (
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Carl,
I understand. Please do keep up the good work and continue turning users into
devs. that's what counts end of the day
and that's what's exactly we look for in a project that's trying to get out of
incubation. We've seen so many fail
(example
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
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Carl,
If you take a step back and think about it...this process has been
like "pulling teeth". Don't you think there's room
for all the folks on Qpid to be more open and forthcoming given this
experience?
I am sorry if t
> Btw I'm not a great fan of insinuations that people voluntarily hide their
> affiliations. If you have any material evidence then provide them,
otherwise
> I'd rather you keep those remarks for yourself.
+1
A matter of fact claim about what an affiliation appears to be is different
from a conje
Rajith Attapattu wrote:
> I am positive we are on the right track in building a vibrant community.
I don't believe that anyone is disputing that view.
> I see no reason why we shouldn't graduate.
With Rupert, possibly so ... is he really the only one independent from RH
and JPMC *today*? Are t
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Carl,
If you take a step back and think about it...this process has been like "pulling
teeth". Don't you think there's room
for all the folks on Qpid to be more open and forthcoming given this experience?
thanks,
dims
Carl Trieloff wrote:
| Rupert
Rupert Smith wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not
an employee of either RedHat
or JPMC. I am an independent consultant who operates through a company
called The Badger Sett Ltd.
and all my contributions to Qpid thus far have been completely
'leg
Hi All,
As Rupert mentioned we have atleast 3 legally independent comitters.
These requirments are important, but what is more important is that the
project has done a good job in ensuring that it operates in the Apache way
and spirit.
We have excellent mentors that have guided the project and h
Hi Daniel,
Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not
an employee of either RedHat
or JPMC. I am an independent consultant who operates through a company
called The Badger Sett Ltd.
and all my contributions to Qpid thus far have been completely
'legally' independent of t
Matthieu,
On Sunday 23 March 2008, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> Robert Godfrey doesn't seem to be working for either company. I also
> haven't found any affiliation for Rupert Ls Smith but you seem to be
> pretty good at finding them so maybe you (or somebody else) have an
> idea? Both have been commit
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 21 March 2008, Paul Fremantle wrote:
> > Yoav
> >
> > I have to say I think you have given a very good analysis. I think
> > that QPid has come a huge way towards Apacheness. Diversity is not as
> > great as it cou
On Sunday 23 March 2008, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> All,
>
> If I have understood correctly the legal process which we've followed
> to join the Apache project, then I am 'legally independent' as are
> several of the other Qpid committers under discussion, as I have
> signed an ICLA and am personall
All,
If I have understood correctly the legal process which we've followed to
join the Apache project, then I am 'legally independent' as are several of
the other Qpid committers under discussion, as I have signed an ICLA and am
personally responsible/liable for all of my contributions to Qpid.
I
On Friday 21 March 2008, Paul Fremantle wrote:
> Yoav
>
> I have to say I think you have given a very good analysis. I think
> that QPid has come a huge way towards Apacheness. Diversity is not as
> great as it could be but meets the Incubator criteria.
Huh? The graduation guide says "there are a
Changing subject to match ...
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From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 22:16
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS
Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
-1
-1
Agreeing with Dan Kulp, Robert, Dims, et al. I encourage QPid to keep
going, and am happy with its progress, but would like to see additional
diversity in the community.
--- Noel
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
> [X] +1
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1
>
You never know if you're ready before really trying :) But from what I've
seen they're close enough. They seem to mostly know what they
I guess I should vote on the official thread ;)
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
> [ X ] +1
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1
Yoav
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I agree with Robert, I'd prefer to wait a bit to see the community grow. Yes,
it's a subjective call. No, not enough for
a -1So my vote would be a -0.
thanks,
dims
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
| On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Carl Trieloff <[
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Sent: Fri 3/21/2008 4:52 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re:
[VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu,
Yoav
I have to say I think you have given a very good analysis. I think
that QPid has come a huge way towards Apacheness. Diversity is not as
great as it could be but meets the Incubator criteria. I support the
QPid graduation because I think that QPid is doing the right things in
the right way, a
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Subject: Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At this point the Apache Qpid community with support from its mentors
> feels that
> > it is ready to graduate to an official top le
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Qpid entered into the incubator November 2006, and has made releases, is
> in the
> process of closing down another minor release and well on the way to the
> next
> major release, added new committers, and cleaned u
Qpid entered into the incubator November 2006, and has made releases, is
in the
process of closing down another minor release and well on the way to the
next
major release, added new committers, and cleaned up Karma prior to
graduation
vote.
At this point the Apache Qpid community with suppo
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