David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
I don't see any point in having this conversation every year.
Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel
free to remove the entire site (except the project status files)
and start over with whatever t
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> >
> >I don't see any point in having this conversation every year.
> >Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel
> >free to remove the entire site (except the project status files)
> >and start over with whatever tool you deem
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Leo Simons wrote:
> >
> > > I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> > > incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> > > forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
> >
> > That can be addressed,
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Mads Toftum wrote:
> >Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> >
> >>The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably
> >>where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin
> >>
> >
> >Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process is
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Mads Toftum wrote:
> > > Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
> > > When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm
> > > beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed.
> >
> > Why?
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Torsten Curdt wrote:
> > As long as everyone has to have a tool locally to build and commit a
> > site in order to change *content*, people *will* find the tool annoying.
> > A smaller tool maybe less ...but it's *is* an additional step that
> > should not be required.
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits that
no one
probably uses.
FTR, I hate the tabs, find the layout unreadable,... And, no, I don't
want the site to generate a friggin PDF.
I've known
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ross Gardler wrote:
...
As I understood your recent comments, you (Forrest) are actively working to
make the workflow simpler, such than anyone should be able to download a
binary, grab our site from SVN, build and publish. Correct?
Yes that is correct. As an example,
Mads Toftum wrote:
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 08:41:35AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably
where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin
Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process is
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
How would even having a local copy of the JARs prevent the problem that
Forrest won't actually generate the site?
I don't believe that to be correct, but we can clarify with David and Ross.
As far as I am aware the site builds fine.
There h
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
[SNIP]
I don't see any point in having this conversation every year.
Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel
free to remove the entire site (except the project status files)
and start over with
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits
that no one
probably uses.
FTR, I hate the tabs, find the layout unreadable, and nobody sees that
the important documentation has never been updated. Half the screen
real esta
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> I don't want a staging server at all! It's *massive* overkill and
> something I don't want to have any part of.
Fine, let's take the build server out of this equation, because it addresses
somewhat different needs.
> The way to solve the 'how do I build this?' for a p
Geir,
> [David] has been studly about it, but could he be studly today?
> I updated the main projects page and need that to be published.
Hopefully so. IIRC, David is in Oz, and so it should be just past 5AM for
him.
--- Noel
---
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 08:41:35AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably
> where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin
>
Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process is what really
blows
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 12:47:51PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > if you look at plans for site-dev, they don't involve people doing
> > > their own builds, they involve a build server.
>
> > Anakia sites don't need a build server! I w
He has been studly about it, but could he be studly today? I updated
the main projects page and need that to be published...
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Mads Toftum wrote:
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke -
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > if you look at plans for site-dev, they don't involve people doing
> > their own builds, they involve a build server.
> Anakia sites don't need a build server! I would never feel comfortable
> about committing a change that I couldn't review
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> How would even having a local copy of the JARs prevent the problem that
> Forrest won't actually generate the site?
I don't believe that to be correct, but we can clarify with David and Ross.
> Don't get me wrong; having everything included in incubator/site *is* a
> r
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 11:10:13AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>
> > I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> > incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> > forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
>
> That can be addressed
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 11:04:18AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mads Toftum wrote:
> > Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
> > When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm
> > beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed.
>
> Why
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 01:35:38PM +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> As long as everyone has to have a tool locally to build and commit a
> site in order to change *content*, people *will* find the tool annoying.
> A smaller tool maybe less ...but it's *is* an additional step that
> should
> not be r
Leo Simons wrote:
> I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
That can be addressed, in part, by packaging Forrest in our site build
structure, so that when you c
Ross Gardler wrote:
> In my opinion sticking with Forrest will be damaging to both parties
unless:
> - people here are willing to actually respond to Davids proposals
> (not necessarily agree, but at least respond)
I agree that it isn't fair to always file feature requests in the form of
complai
Mads Toftum wrote:
> Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
> When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm
> beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed.
Why? The man has been tremendous about it. He publishes daily. And if you
loo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 10:34:04AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mads Toftum wrote:
> > the logo for Apachecon that finished more than two weeks ago
>
> Fixed the next time that David regenerates the site.
>
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When someone said that at
Mads Toftum wrote:
> I don't see much sophistication in the current site
Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits that no one
probably uses.
> the logo for Apachecon that finished more than two weeks ago
Fixed the next time that David regenerates the site.
> > Personall
Hi gang,
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
> and have a less sophisticated site.
>
> Personally, I'd like to s
Ross,
> Forrest has been moving towards the site-build proposal steadily. Most of
> our devs are on the site-dev list and see what little is discussed there.
> We are actually much closer to it than people not onthe Forrest lists will
> realise. We've not reported to the sie-dev list because we ar
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the
product's
reputation here, and make people happy in a timely manner.
Incubator has been using Forrest for how long? So how long do you want
to go on with something that seems to generate a lot of annoyance with
anyone but you an
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
and have a less sophisticated site.
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the product's
reputation
> David,
>
>> Some troubles at the ASF are that:
>> a) We cannot run java-based applications on apache
>> hardware (perhaps when the zones.a.o machine is
>> out of testing phase).
>
>> b) There are various projects using Forrest
>> but no ASF-wide installation for them to use
>> server-side.
>
> -
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
> and have a less sophisticated site.
>
I don't see much sophistication in the current site - or is it the logo
for Apachecon that finished more than two we
David,
> Some troubles at the ASF are that:
> a) We cannot run java-based applications on apache
> hardware (perhaps when the zones.a.o machine is
> out of testing phase).
> b) There are various projects using Forrest
> but no ASF-wide installation for them to use
> server-side.
- zones is out
> What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
and have a less sophisticated site.
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the product's
reputation here, and make people hap
> > I had to download a JRE for my box.
> C'mon, it's a java-based app after all.
FWIW, so is anakia, which is what we use to build the main ASF site, and
many other ASF sites. So a JRE is pretty universally required, and
available.
> Same thing will happen with this new Super Simple Tool
> -- y
Torsten Curdt wrote:
> Sorry, don't get it...
>
> At work we are running continuum watching svn commits and
> then automatically rebuilding our site with forrest.
> Noone has to care about html nor forrest. Just check out
> the xdocs and commit them - done.
>
> My 2 cents
Fantastic to hear.
Som
Sorry, don't get it...
At work we are running continuum watching svn commits and
then automatically rebuilding our site with forrest.
Noone has to care about html nor forrest. Just check out
the xdocs and commit them - done.
My 2 cents
cheers
--
Torsten
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Ross Gardler wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> >>Forrest is much more than the "simple site generation tool" that the
> >>subject says is wanted here, I recognise that Forrest may not be the
> >>right tool for this job. I happen to disagree, but I recognise the
> >>possibility.
> >
> >Well, if
Leo Simons wrote:
> OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing
> things
> to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this
> thread or
> take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before).
I too see no need to squash such threads. Sure, take
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
>
> FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up all of the goofy workflow problems
> with Maven 1, but I'm not familiar with it. I'
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
Yup.
> FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 giv
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I disagree in trying to put the kibosh on the thread.
It was very healthy to bring out the frustration that had been
simmering, and I think that we all learned something.
Agreed
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Well as I have
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up all of the goofy workflow problems
with Maven 1, but I'm not familiar with it.
I disagree in trying to put the kibosh on the thread.
It was very healthy to bring out the frustration that had been
simmering, and I think that we all learned something.
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
geir
Leo Simons wrote:
OK ok ok ok. Enough alrea
OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing
things
to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this thread
or
take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before).
Gaah. Apologies to all for opening up a can of worms. My goal with spending
tim
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Forrest is much more than the "simple site generation tool" that the
subject says is wanted here, I recognise that Forrest may not be the
right tool for this job. I happen to disagree, but I recognise the
possibility.
Well, if you believe Forrest could be, then do it
On 12/29/05, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 01:12:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote:
> >...
> > If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
> > to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is totally unfair
> > to a new project to just criticise it from af
Hopefully my last post. I'd have stopped a while ago, but I thought I
was being helpful by telling you about a use case that I thought legit
that had me stumbling and to show I wasn't just whining.
Ross Gardler wrote:
[SNIP]
Now please let the "dead horse" drop. Simply admit that you don't
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but this reminds me of the old
joke :
Patient : "Doctor, my arm hurts when I life it like this..."
Doctor : "Don't lift it like that..."
I needed to "lift my arm".
I had a page that I didn't wish to have as part of the site (i.e
I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but this reminds me of the old
joke :
Patient : "Doctor, my arm hurts when I life it like this..."
Doctor : "Don't lift it like that..."
I needed to "lift my arm".
I had a page that I didn't wish to have as part of the site (i.e. I
didn't want the site
Greg Stein wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> >...
> > If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
> > to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is totally unfair
> > to a new project to just criticise it from afar. We get
> > very few emails to the user mailing list about any issues
>
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 01:12:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote:
>...
> If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
> to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is totally unfair
> to a new project to just criticise it from afar. We get
> very few emails to the user mailing list about a
David Crossley wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> > For the next one, I'll do that. For this one, I'll assume it's in
> > safe and responsible hands.
>
> http://forrest.apache.org/docs/faq.html#crawler
I meant to also say i just added that FAQ today.
-David
---
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Tim Williams wrote:
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >The Forrest project uses a tool called JIRA [1] so that users like you
> >can add feedback/feature requests like this one. Your request is much
> >more likely to get addressed there than on the incubator mailing list.
>
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> >>What's wrong with the xdoc/Anakia approach?
> >
> >Nothing, necessarily. David Crossley tried to put together a constructive
> >discourse regarding site construction almost two months ago, and got almost
> >no f
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Fair drawback, since I doubt that if one edits the HTML in SVN directly,
> > that Confluence would be able to pick up the changes. OTOH, isn't this
> > how Cocoon is doing their docs now, albeit with Daisy?
> Daisy does not write to SVN so the onl
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
Confluence isn't that, and you can't work offline.
Fair drawback, since I doubt that if one edits the HTML in SVN directly,
that Confluence would be able to pick up the changes. OTOH, isn't this how
Cocoon is
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Ross Gardler wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
a) edit
b) render
c) examine. if not right, GOTO a)
d) commit
e) deploy
a,c are entirely my choice of tool, so it's easy.
d,e use one standard common tool. it's easy.
b needs to be simple and easy
The ForrestB
Mads Toftum wrote:
> The one thing I never understood is why incubator insists on placing the
> whole forrest burden on new projects - as if they don't have enough
> other things to worry about than learning a system that they're likely
> to ditch as soon as they have the chance?
Huh? Projects h
Ross Gardler wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
a) edit
b) render
c) examine. if not right, GOTO a)
d) commit
e) deploy
a,c are entirely my choice of tool, so it's easy.
d,e use one standard common tool. it's easy.
b needs to be simple and easy
The ForrestBot does b, d and e of your,
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 08:23:48AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> I am +1 for dumping Forrest. I never grok why something so simple as
> our static website needs something so complicated to build it.
>
I think you've nailed the difference between the forrest crowd and the
rest of us. I tota
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am +1 for dumping Forrest. I never grok why something so simple as
our static website needs something so complicated to build it.
Forrest does do some things for us, such as generating what I do consider to
be a somewhat nicer looking si
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:14 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding
of the
problems you're tryi
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> I am +1 for dumping Forrest. I never grok why something so simple as
> our static website needs something so complicated to build it.
Forrest does do some things for us, such as generating what I do consider to
be a somewhat nicer looking site with collapsable menus a
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Because the ASF have to support the chosen tool and there are many
> > different site generation tools in use within the ASF (now the
> > Incubator is about to get its own).
> I hope not. I hope we reuse what is simple and easy and already
> w
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > In any event, there are a variety of ways forward. Alex, Ted,
> > Serge and others appear to like the idea of a authentication
> > restricted Confluence to use for generating HTML.
> I think that we should have a neutral open format that ou
On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:14 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep
understanding of the
problems you're trying to solve.
None is neede
On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Tim Williams wrote:
On 12/29/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:03 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update
geronimo.html, it
took 30+ mins before asking for h
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:14 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
problems you're trying to solve.
None is needed, the problem is very simple.
The problems are n
On 12/29/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:03 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >>
> >> Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> >> took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to
> >> f
On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In any event, there are a variety of ways forward. Alex, Ted,
Serge and
others appear to like the idea of a authentication restricted
Confluence to
use for generating HTML.
I think that we should have a neutral open format that our
On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:14 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding
of the
problems you're trying to solve.
None is needed, the problem is very simple.
The problems are not simple, or they would have
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:03 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to
figure
out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
site.
I am +1 for dumping Forrest. I never grok why something so simple as
our static website needs something so complicated to build it.
What's wrong with the xdoc/Anakia approach? If the problem is
validation, that's trivial - we can easily create an dtd or xsd (if
you don't want humans to be
[Sorry for the delayed response ... spent a few days rebuilding my laptop.]
David tried to get people interested in the issue, constructively, back in
November.
ref:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200511.mbox/%3c20
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please review David's post from al
David Crossley wrote:
If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is totally unfair
to a new project to just criticise it from afar. We get
very few emails to the user mailing list about any issues
with Forrest. This seems to be especially t
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:03:34 +1100, "David Crossley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> > took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
> > out that geronimo.html was not being
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
> out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
> site. So we lost close to an hour of hackathon time try
Leo Simons wrote:
> Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> > since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
> > problems you're trying to solve.
>
> None is needed, the problem is very simple.
The problems are not simple, or they would have been solved
years ago. Follow the site-dev disc
I am not trying to defend Forrest. We already acknowledge
that there are some inadequacies for the situation where
people do not want to learn and enhance the tool, and rather
they just want to use it to generate some quick doco.
Forrest is overkill for that. Why are people using it
and then critic
/me hits himself on the head for not mentioning this earlier...but..
...could we please move this thread to site-dev at apache dot org? The
crossposts
are no doubt annoying some people :-)
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 11:37:15AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> --On December 27, 2005 6:02:18 AM -0800
--On December 27, 2005 6:02:18 AM -0800 Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
* anakia
* the source xdoc format is not simple or clean enough
* the validation step is not complete enough
* the transformation is not predictable enough
* managing navigational elements is not simple o
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Err, I would suggest you please go and read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives.
> That's basically a "FAQ" at this point. You may also wish to go and look for
> some posts by me over the last few years to the forrest mailing lists, or
> to the avalo
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
> problems you're trying to solve.
None is needed, the problem is very simple.
> However, to my naive understanding its two things:
>
> * make the process of d
On 12/27/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
> out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
> site. So we lost close t
Thomas,
Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
site. So we lost close to an hour of hackathon time trying to do
something really
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> == Available tools ==
>
> None of the other generally available tools satisfy all the above
> requirements at the moment.
How about just plain xml and xslt?
Stick a build.xml in there, but people are free to use the xslt engine
of their choice
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It pains me to say this (Forrest is a cool project and I
> consider at least some of its active developers and community
> members my friends) but we've muddled around long enough.
>
> I think that, for the incubator website, Apache Forrest
>
>
Hi gang,
It pains me to say this (Forrest is a cool project and I
consider at least some of its active developers and community
members my friends) but we've muddled around long enough.
I think that, for the incubator website, Apache Forrest
* is too unstable as a codebase
* is way too compl
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