Re: You know what... Apache is just too complicated.

2015-05-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > > > If someone wants to write a "12 steps to becoming an Apache top-level > > project" that might become the single-page Incubator website ;-) > > Isn't it 1 step nowaday

Re: [PROPOSAL] Silk as new Incubator project

2014-09-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > > Not saying anything on the proposal itself, I would be concerned because > > of the name Silk. > > There is this: > > http://lucidworks.com/product/integrations/silk/ > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Weave for Apache Incubator

2013-10-30 Thread Donald Whytock
Knit, crochet, macrame? Though, honestly, pulling lower-level components together into higher-level ones sounds a little like granny squares... Don On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > Pardon my ignorance, I just looked it up and realized that warp and weft > are indeed r

Re: [PROPOSAL] Aurora for Incubation

2013-08-27 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Dave... So Aurora already exists as a functioning package? Is there a public-accessible project page for it somewhere? Don On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Lester wrote: > Hi Jean-Baptiste, > > The focus is currently on Mesos. Our intent is to make it a sub-project. > > Dave > > On Mo

Re: Instead of a Bill how about a Booklet? (was Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights)

2013-06-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > 2) Apache has been around long enough and is large enough to have its own > culture, with its own societal rules and tribal history. Lots of it is > written down, but it is hard to find. I never thought of that...Apache policy is the writt

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > It will be an official transfer. Apache will get all the code and the name > Curator. > > -JZ > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jordan Zimmerman &

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan == > > * The initial source is already licensed under the Apache License, Version > 2.0. https://github.com/Netflix/curator/blob/master/LICENSE.txt So this is effectively a fork of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Steams Project

2012-11-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: > Apache Streams Proposal > > == Proposal == > > Apache Streams will bring together individuals who are or are looking to > increase and centralize the production, consumption and federation of > ActivityStreams throughout enterprise org

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Mayhem proposal

2012-10-31 Thread Donald Whytock
Just giving a post-hurricane nudge. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: > Hi all guys, > > I prepared a new proposal[1] for the incubator, concerning the > creation of a new community focused on all aspects of Google Guice > extensions, starting from a rather than small codeba

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allura Proposal

2012-06-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Under "reliance on salaried developers" the proposal states "At > present, almost all development on Allura is done on salaried time. It > is understood that expanding the developer community to the point > where this is not the case, is a g

Re: Source code for HISE WS-HT

2012-06-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Edgar Felipe Fuentes Perea > wrote: >> Hi, where can I find the source code for this Project? >> >> Thank you in advance for your help. > > Information about Hise, including the source code URL is available a

Re: [PROPOSAL] cTAKES for the Apache Incubator

2012-05-31 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Pei, A lot of the components listed in the proposal and the Wikipedia entry look useful for general natural language processing, not just clinical-data processing. Is it possible to use cTAKES for general, non-clinical processing? Or is it built on a general core with clinical-data-related ex

Re: [DISCUSS] Crunch to join the Apache Incubator

2012-05-18 Thread Donald Whytock
The MapReduce link in the proposal doesn't resolve. You perhaps want to use "http://hadoop.apache.org/mapreduce/"; instead. Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [PROPOSAL][RFC] CloudStack for the Apache Incubator

2012-04-03 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:06 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: >> Plan"...What do the patents cover/restrict?  Is a patent even >> compatible with ALv2? >> > > Speaking only for myself, Section 3 of ALv2 seems to addres

Re: [PROPOSAL][RFC] CloudStack for the Apache Incubator

2012-04-03 Thread Donald Whytock
Regarding the section "Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan"...What do the patents cover/restrict? Is a patent even compatible with ALv2? Don - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For add

Re: CloudStack?

2012-04-03 Thread Donald Whytock
>From the article: "CloudStack brings to Apache more than 30,000 community members, thousands of certified apps, and hundreds of production clouds". And to think, people were worried about OpenOffice... Don - To unsubscribe, e-m

Re: Incubator, or "Incubation"?

2012-02-02 Thread Donald Whytock
Isn't there also something along the lines of what's called "culpable deniability"? Since podlings may be in states where their offerings might not be as legal as TLPs (licensing issues, trademark/branding issues, etc.), is it not more convenient for them to be relegated to an area specifically de

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Donald Whytock
May I suggest bumping thoughts of cashiering the incubator to its own thread? It seems a much bigger question than whether to prevent vetoes on PPMC membership votes. Don On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >> >> In

Re: [RT] Community over policy, and similar thoughts

2012-01-17 Thread Donald Whytock
Fair enough. I used to run into this in high school, where something that had been done the year before a freshman came in was suddenly a tradition that had to be done every year. You could probably compare it to Terry Pratchett's senior mayfly ("It's way too bright around here now. Not like it

Re: [RT] Community over policy, and similar thoughts

2012-01-16 Thread Donald Whytock
Like Apache, But Sexier...LABS? I can totally see that. Anyone want to start an Apache LABS podling? I'm speaking as someone who lurks on a few prodling lists, plus the incubator. There's stuff I've picked up sort of by osmosis (absorbing through membranes and the skin, rather like how one lear

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > > It is not helpful to have a number of directors contradicting each > other on general@, never coming to consensus.  In fact, its maddening. I'm actually not seeing much in the way of contradiction in discussion of the policy. The le

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Donald Whytock
It occurs to me that the ASF, in enforcing open-source licensing, becomes a source of free legal advice to the open-source community, whether it intends to or not... 1. Contribute a body of code to ASF. 2. "Is it legal for us to accept this? Better run it past legal@." 3. Use acceptance of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator

2011-12-19 Thread Donald Whytock
A minor comment on one sentence... "To that end, Adobe will only have minority representation on the initial committers list." As I understand it, companies don't have representation in Apache projects. Individuals do, that may or may not belong to a given company, and that may or may not be ope

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I can see two problems with this view to begin with. One is IP > management. The more people participate in a project and the longer > they do so, the messier it becomes to track provenance and get ICLAs > from all of the contributors. One

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > You use the phrase "committ rights" in this template. They are not > "rights" they are "privileges". The reason this might be important is > that very occasionally it is necessary for a PMC to remove these > privileges, it is one of the few blu

Re: podlings.xml - field to hold details of non-current podlings

2011-10-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, sebb wrote: > In some cases, a URL might be relevant for retired projects; this > could be added as an attribute of the tag Is it at all possible that a current podling would have a nonstandard URL? I'm wondering if the URL attribute should be at the podling lev

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Whytock
nd/or graduated podlings? Something that can be changed manually? On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:19 AM, sebb wrote: > On 13 October 2011 16:00, Donald Whytock wrote: >> So...a url attribute that takes precedence when present, otherwise the >> link is derived from the podling name?  Or shou

Re: Podling status summary - expand details for graduated/retired/dormant projects?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Whytock
So...a url attribute that takes precedence when present, otherwise the link is derived from the podling name? Or should the url attribute be default-filled for all cases? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.ap

Re: [SITE] Split projects/index.html

2011-10-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, sebb wrote: > If it's important to have a single page that contains all the podling > names ever used for searching purposes, then we could create a > simplified version of podlings.xml, with links to more detailed > entries. Does it make sense for the details su

Re: [DISCUSS] podling-info.xml (was: Layout change - remove the right table)

2011-10-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > There is always: > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo This isn't necessarily the same as the members of the PPMC, is it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail

[DISCUSS] podling-info.xml (was: Layout change - remove the right table)

2011-10-10 Thread Donald Whytock
There's been talk on the OpenOffice dev list about a public list of PPMC members. Now that there's an overall podlings.xml registery, should there perhaps be a standard for something similar at the podling level, that a general script can use if it's there? Perhaps something along the lines of in

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Ok, for you. Not me. I believe people coming from outside are confused > by this navigation too. Of course I cannot prove it, but all the > website I like have easier navigation. So what's the use case for the RHS column? Presumably

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:08 PM, sebb wrote: > It would be easier to edit and navigate if the attributes were all on > the same line as the tag Yeah, that's the plan. I was just listing what attributes would be there. I format the final file using XPontus. I forgot sponsor, BTW; that'll be in

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:48 PM, sebb wrote: > I'm now thinking it might be better to convert some of the tags to > attributes, for example: > >     > > These are all relatively short fields and I think it would make the > file shorter and easier to read. > I used "resource" rather than "id" becaus

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:10 PM, sebb wrote: > However I think it would make sense to sort the entries by podling > name, rather than by name within status. > Otherwise it will be a pain when the status changes. > > Also, rather than use a tag, I think it would be better to > use a tag which is th

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:46 AM, sebb wrote: > The registry would contain all podling names (current and previous) > together with state (active, dormant, graduated, retired) and other > basic information. > This would be used to generate the podling summary page(s) as well. Would said XML file th

Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table

2011-10-05 Thread Donald Whytock
What about storing the podling names in a table somewhere and using a Javascript fragment to read the table and populate the right-column list? Pages that include the script therefore don't have to be updated at all when the podling list changes. Don -

Re: IP Clearance - transferral or licensing of copyright ownership?

2011-09-21 Thread Donald Whytock
Apologies...shouldn't have cited [6]. Meant to cite [2]: [2] http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt Good thing IANAL. Don On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Sander van der Waal > wrote: >> On the other hand

Re: IP Clearance - transferral or licensing of copyright ownership?

2011-09-21 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Sander van der Waal wrote: > On the other hand, the ASF general FAQ states that the copyright of ASF > projects is owned by the ASF, more specifically "The members own the > code" [5]. Also the IP Clearance template [6] has a check that says > "Check and make sure

Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!

2011-07-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn > well > that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why > they ( > when they did commit) shared accounts. What if the students all s

Re: process for going Dormant/Retired

2011-06-17 Thread Donald Whytock
Should there be a way to comment on the dormant podling? Perhaps analysis on what (over and above community, the core problem) would be required to make the project viable, in case anyone who has the time and interest and expertise (i.e. someone other than, say, me) wanted to try to revive it? Do

Re: Bluesky status and plans (was: Monthly reports missing)

2011-06-14 Thread Donald Whytock
What happens to a dormant podling? Are its files still accessible, and does its licensing still apply? Don On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Bernd Fondermann > wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 16:15, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> We can

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Donald Whytock
+1 (non-binding) On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Yegor Kozlov wrote: > +1 > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] >> >> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding >> down, I wou

Re: Remediation ...

2011-06-09 Thread Donald Whytock
Considering the code was owned by Oracle, would Oracle and IBM have slugged out any IP issues between them before now? On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > - Original Message >> From: Simon Phipps >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Is that a copyleft swallow or an ALv2 swallow? On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> Guys, if we are going to argue over the mistakes of the pasts >>> and the slig

Re: [OO.o] updated mailing lists in proposal

2011-06-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > According to Markmail (http://openoffice.markmail.org/) the following > 37 openoffice.org mailing lists received more than 365 messages in > 2010: Based on the volume here over the last week, how many of those lists got all 365 messages in on

Re: Commerce and open-soure (Was) Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-06 Thread Donald Whytock
Actually, "land-grab" isn't an invalid analogy. Think of a mountain...Imagine some enterprising nonprof manages to buy a scenic mountain. A cadre of volunteers sees to it, cleaning up litter and the occasional forest fire. The nonprof opens up the mountain for anyone to go play on, as long as th

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-02 Thread Donald Whytock
The butler did it. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Guys, if we are going to argue over the mistakes of the pasts > and the slights of the past, quite frankly, we aren't going to > get very far. > > This is supposed to be a happy occasion; let's not bicker > and argue about

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Perhaps db.apache.org would be a better example? Should there be a semantic.apache.org? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Ian Dickinson wrote: >> ...Bertrand wrote: >>... 2. A Semantic Commons area is created for commo

Re: [PROPOSAL] NPanday Project

2010-07-29 Thread Donald Whytock
Are there plans for NPanday to work with other .NET IDEs, such as SharpDevelop (www.sharpdevelop.net)? Don On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > sounds good. > > A minor question: do you plan to graduate under the umbrella of the Maven TLP > or > becoming an own TLP? > > LieGr

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-22 Thread Donald Whytock
: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 22:23, Donald Whytock wrote: >> Sorry to leave things on a sour note...had family in from college. >> >> Do we want to take this off-channel to discuss details? > > Preferrably - no. Let&

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-11 Thread Donald Whytock
Sorry to leave things on a sour note...had family in from college. Do we want to take this off-channel to discuss details? Don On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 16:23, Donald Whytock wrote: >> So I gather that's a "no"

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-03 Thread Donald Whytock
So I gather that's a "no" on mentoring. Any other takers? Don On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 00:06, Donald Whytock wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Bernd Fondermann >> wrote: >>> So, what are yo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-02 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: > So, what are your short term goals with chatterbot? As you are on the > incubator list and put up a proposal, the goal should be to become an > Incubator project. Otherwise, we are just wasting time here. > An important part of preparing fo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-01 Thread Donald Whytock
43 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > Well, it seemed presumptuous to ask about mentors when I hardly had a > community...but thank you for your consideration.  Yes, mentoring > would be appreciated. > > I tested my XMPP handler against two servers: Google's chat server and > one ma

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-01 Thread Donald Whytock
nt > lib like Smack? > > Thanks, > >  Bernd > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:54, Donald Whytock wrote: >> Hello again... >> >> Following is the revised proposal text, as posted on the wiki. >> Significant changes are the goals, which now focus on building th

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-03-01 Thread Donald Whytock
nal server-based or enterprise architecture; however, it is recognized that tried-and-tested principles established in enterprise architecture may be applicable here. Core Developers: As of late 2009, there is one developer, Donald Whytock (dwhytock at gmail dot com). Donald Whytock has severa

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-02-01 Thread Donald Whytock
al key. So where do I go from here? A new proposal draft? Don On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 1/29/10 10:38, Donald Whytock wrote: >> >> I have an overview of the current Chatterbot architecture at >> >> http://www.imtower.net/chat

Re: [PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-01-29 Thread Donald Whytock
uestion, is there any Java API standard abstraction for > chat protocols?  e.g. javax.chat?  I don't think there is but there is of > course JMS, is ChatterBot significantly different from JMS?  If so, perhaps > a low priority side goal of the project should be to develop a stand

[PROPOSAL] Chatterbot, a lightweight framework for chat responders

2010-01-28 Thread Donald Whytock
ecifically as an alternative to traditional server-based or enterprise architecture; however, it is recognized that tried-and-tested principles established in enterprise architecture may be applicable here. Core Developers As of late 2009, there is one developer, Donald Whytock (dwhytock at gma

Re: ChatterBot chat responder framework

2010-01-11 Thread Donald Whytock
orks, I'll be happy to do it that way. Don On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:05 PM, David Crossley wrote: > Donald Whytock wrote: > > > > I have a personal project that I would like to make OpenSource and submit > to > > the ASF. It is a small framework for chat responders,

ChatterBot chat responder framework

2009-12-19 Thread Donald Whytock
http://lists.imtower.net/listinfo.cgi/chatterbot-imtower.net Seeking interested contributors, potential mentors, and, perhaps most important, peer review. Thanks... Donald Whytock